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ringo

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Message 85 of 302 (342169)
08-21-2006 9:38 PM

Reply to: Message 79 by nator
08-21-2006 8:52 PM

scrafinator writes:

"chair" or "chairperson" instead of "chairman", "mail carrier" instead of "mail man", "police officer" instead of "police man", or "flight attendant" instead of "stewardess"

The one I like best is "firefighter".
"Fighter" is even more macho than "man" - although there are a few firewomen around.

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Message 140 of 302 (342334)
08-22-2006 10:07 AM

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08-22-2006 9:47 AM

ikabod writes:

have no idea what ethnic group and religious creed you belong to but im sure if we trawl through a few cultures we can find some demeaning terms to cover you ..

I'm a white male of German extraction with no religious affiliations. I challenge you to demean me.

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Message 148 of 302 (342344)
08-22-2006 10:30 AM

Reply to: Message 146 by Faith
08-22-2006 10:27 AM

Faith writes:

Sorry I bothered.

You are constantly saying that, in almost every thread.

Your repentence does not appear to be genuine.

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Message 206 of 302 (342442)
08-22-2006 4:03 PM

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08-22-2006 11:30 AM

ikabod writes:

Hun ,used in both meanings.. barbaric and beastial , a Adolf , no prizes for work this one out ..

I don't find those terms the slightest bit demeaning - more like nicknames.
I'd rather be called "Hun" than "dude".

"Demeaning" is meaningless without a cultural context. The words are only demeaning if there is a history of demeaning behaviour. My people have never been demeaned by anybody (did more than their share of demeaning others though, I suppose) so mere words don't bother us.

But if somebody's family has hundreds of years of slavery to look back on, the "slave words" can bother them.

the point is by demeaning and isolting others you get the same back from those you assault ..

Not at all.
If I call somebody a "n****r", there is nothing he can do to me that is even remotely similar.

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Message 212 of 302 (342474)
08-22-2006 7:27 PM

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08-22-2006 5:17 PM

MangyTiger writes:

We don't use 'guys' so much over here....

"Guys" is not a very good example.

A group of girls will call each other "you guys", but when they talk about "guys", they're always talking about boys.

It doesn't really fit into the Politically Correct topic anyway. You'd never hear anybody called a "policeguy" or a "mailguy".

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Message 237 of 302 (342530)
08-22-2006 9:51 PM

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08-22-2006 8:24 PM

schrafinator writes:

I could call you a Jew-gasser.

You could, but it wouldn't demean me.

Pick one:

My ancestors left Germany a hundred years ago.
I'm Jewish.
A and B.
I'm a closet Nazi.

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Message 288 of 302 (342705)
08-23-2006 9:57 AM

Reply to: Message 268 by ikabod
08-23-2006 3:51 AM

ikabod writes:

wow you nhave a very centric world view

I don't have a "world view".

so people can call you anything and it does not demean you ...IN WHOS EYES ...

That's just the point. I can only be demeaned in my eyes.

culturally the german people get demeaned by certain UK news papers every time england play germany at football ...

What does that have to do with demeaning me?

the whole cutural group is affected ..

FYI, "German" is not a monolithic "cultural group".

and btw im sure a french man could tell you a few demeaning terms for germans , as could a polish , russian et al .

You are seriously missing my point. The terms are only demeaning if the recipient feels demeaned. Some Germans may feel demeaned because of their background. As a Canadian of German extraction, I do not feel demeaned. It is not possible to demean me by refering to somebody else's background.

If I call somebody a "n****r", there is nothing he can do to me that is even remotely similar.

hmm how about nazis ??? a hitler .. happy to have such names sprayed on your car ?? to have swastika's painted on you house ...

Did you read my post at all? For all you know, I could be Jewish.

Why on earth would Nazi symbols demean me?

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Message 289 of 302 (342707)
08-23-2006 10:07 AM

Reply to: Message 270 by ikabod
08-23-2006 4:14 AM

ikabod writes:

A date of departure is meaning less .... if you say you are of german ethic group

On the contrary, if my ancestors left Germany before Nazis were even thought of, Nazi epithets would be meaningless to us.

by what measure are you a Jew ...

Irrelevant. If I was a German Jew, Nazi epithets would not be demeaning to me.

firstly the nazi party does not allow jews to join it ..

You quoted my post - try reading it. I said, "Pick ONE."

I could be a Jew OR a Nazi. In either case, Nazi epithets would not demean me.

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Message 296 of 302 (342722)
08-23-2006 10:40 AM

Reply to: Message 292 by ikabod
08-23-2006 10:24 AM

ikabod writes:

i guess you are able to shut out the rest of humanity and what picture it paints of you....

But it isn't painting a picture of me at all.

... and you are ok with being excluded from society by the action of others....

How am I being "excluded"?

... some perfer the option of being able to join in and share in lifes experences ...

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm saying that ethnic "slurs" don't effect me, that I am not "excluded".

being isolated and demean by ones fellow citizens is not a nice place to be ,and when the reasons is ethnic it has no justification ...

Of course. What I'm saying is that there has to be a cultural background for the demeaning to work.

If your slave grandmother was called a "n****r", then you won't like being called a "n****r". I don't pretend to understand why, but slave descendents feel demeaned by it.

If my grandfather was Jewish, calling me a "Nazi" doesn't demean me.
It just makes the name-caller an idiot.

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