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Author | Topic: Just What is (and what is wrong with) Political Correctness? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Remember when you poo-pooed people who raised a fuss over the names that we have given to foreigners, saying that it's no big deal because "every society has names for foreigners."? I then pointed out that most of the time those "names for foreigners" were perjorative and demeaning. You then went on the hastily back away from your original statement by suddenly changing the subject from "names for foreigners" to how we've changed the spelling and promounciation of the names of cities and holy books. Maybe you aren't a racist, but there has been a noticeable xenophobic vibe from you.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Exactly.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, it depends upon how the groups are chosen. If people count off, then it's a pretty random distribution and it shouldn't matter. But if groups are chosen by a teacher, then it might have a different connotation to the kids. I do remember reading about a study dome where they took a group of children, divided them into two groups. Each group had a similar distribution of slower, average, and bright students, but they told the kids in one of the groups that they were "gifted" and had been chosen because of their special abilities. That group tended to outperform the other group, even though the makeup of the groups were the same, and they were each doing the same work. So, perception makes a difference in performance, although how much this evidence translates to what you are talking about, I don't know. Not being able to say "brainstorm" and "blackboard" is just retarded.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Except for your right "not to give a damn", correct?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, it is about respect.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Sort of. "Man" and "guy", and "he" are not gender neutral terms, regardless of how either of them were used in the past. From Hofstadter's Metamagical Themas:
In 1972, two sociologists at Drake University, Joseph Schneider and Sally Hacker, decided to test the hypothesis that man is generally understood to embrace woman. Some three hundred college students were asked to select from magazines and newspapers a variety of pictures that would appropriately illustrate the different chapters of a sociology textbook being prepared for publication. Half the students were assigned chapter headings like ``Social Man'', ``Industrial Man'', and ``Political Man''. The other half was given different but corresponding headings like ``Society'', ``Industrial Life'', and ``Political Behavior''. Analysis of the pictures selected revealed that in the minds of students of both sexes use of the word man evoked, to a statistically significant degree, images of males only --- filtering out recognition of women's participation in these major areas of life --- whereas the corresponding headings without man evoked images of both males and females. In some instances the differences reached magnitudes of 30 to 40 per cent. The authors concluded, `This is rather convincing evidence that when you use the word man generically, people do tend to think male, and tend not to think female.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: There have been some very convincing studies that show that most people don't, in fact, use it as a neutral.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What's that supposed to mean. It is good research.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Perhaps I acted too hastily. What terms for foreigners were you thinking of? You never have given any examples, you know. Names for cities and holy books are not names for foreigners.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: And your experience of the school and University system in the last couple of decades has consisted of what, exactly?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: 1) It's not a survey. 2) The whole point of the study is that the widely-accepted premise that "man" is a gender neutral term is false. Can you please explain how the experimental protocol was so biased that it invalidated the results?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: LOL!
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes, but PC was not the issue here. Poor vocabulary was.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So you agree with the conclusions of the study; that "man" is not a neutral term. But tell me, how would you have designed the study? What chapter titles would you have chosen that would have made them "comparable"? Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, they used it in exactly the way it was used in textbooks and in the common understanding that "man" was a gender neutral term. There are examples of such usage if you would like me to find some.
quote: What do you mean by "conditional value"? If anything, it should have biased the results towards the perception of the term "man" to be more neutral because they made sure that the subjects knew that the chapter titles were for a sociology book not a book on men only. So what chapter titles would you have chosen? Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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