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jar
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Message 2 of 302 (341939)
08-21-2006 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by docpotato
08-21-2006 12:15 PM


My own poorly-thought out opinion: attempting to minimize offense is good, but I think it is unreasonable for people to expect that they won't be offended by things as they move about the world.
I would likely be placed in the anti-PC category in many ways. I think that one of the high points of civilization was Vaudeville, where nothing was held sacred, where the judge or beat cop, the businessman or politician was treated in the same way as the whore or crook or hod carrier or tanner. It was the great equalizer where jew or gentile, protestant or catholic, rich or poor, weak or powerful were held up to the light so that all could see their own weaknesses. It was the ultimate laugh at oneself medium.
However, language should be used wisely if possible and with consideration. A Gentleman (or Lady) should try to never offend unintentionally. That is simply good manners.

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Message 64 of 302 (342133)
08-21-2006 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by robinrohan
08-21-2006 6:57 PM


Re: PC rules--just a stab at it
Where did anyone say who you should associate with?

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Message 83 of 302 (342166)
08-21-2006 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by nator
08-21-2006 8:52 PM


More likely to laugh at de-gendering.
Not oppressed but I must admit I do chuckle when folk use such expressions.

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jar
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Message 137 of 302 (342329)
08-22-2006 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by robinrohan
08-22-2006 8:09 AM


You and Jar and Ringo and Omni and thousands of others, that's who.
You can't get anything right can you. LOL
I happen to be a Registered Republican and been working Conservative causes since Eisenhower's second run.

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jar
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Message 197 of 302 (342421)
08-22-2006 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by robinrohan
08-22-2006 10:36 AM


So now we can finally understand a little of how Robin thinks.
Way back in Message 68 Schraf asks robin:
quote:
Who, exactly, are these people; "The Leftists"?
to which robin eventually replies in Message 119:
You and Jar and Ringo and Omni and thousands of others, that's who.
Well, I found being called a "Leftist", even though robins idea of being a leftist is anyone who thinks being "public spirited" might be a good idea, pretty funny so in Message 137 I pointed out that I was a Registered Republican and had been working for Conservative causes for many decades.
I happen to be a Registered Republican and been working Conservative causes since Eisenhower's second run.
Lo and behold, his reply is even more astonishing;
robinrohan writes:
Makes no difference.
What can be made of this???????????
Does robin really think that anyone who public spirited is a "Leftist"? Since Georgie Bush called for "voluntarism" is he now a "Leftist"? Is everyone who votes or works during elections "Leftist"?
Do facts really make no difference to robin and does he really believe as his threads seem to indicate that all that is needed is for him to label something as PC, or sentimental, or Leftist and realitry becomes as labeled by Robin?

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jar
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Message 202 of 302 (342433)
08-22-2006 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by robinrohan
08-22-2006 3:04 PM


Re: So now we can finally understand a little of how Robin thinks.
Your morals and religion have a strong PC element. I guess you co-opted it. Happens all the time with these political ideas.
So Robin now dances off to yet another topic out of the blue and once again just labels things.
Where in Message 197 did the subject of morals and religion come up? Where is something supporting your assertion that my morals and religion have a strong PC element? Why even bring that up in a response to a whole series of messages that were based not on morals or religion but on you labeling a Registered Republican Conservative as a "Lestist?"
Is this a game of "Robin says?"
Is there some reason you never actually answer the questions raised?

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jar
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Message 205 of 302 (342441)
08-22-2006 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by robinrohan
08-22-2006 3:31 PM


More of Robin's fantasy world appears.
Instead of answering or even trying to answer any of the questions I raised in Message 202 Robin floats off into yet another total fantasy world assertion. He says:
Well, your idea about loving oneself, which is an important part of your belief system, came originally from the Left, so I reckon you took from there.
How cute. Now Sir Robin asserts that Jesus and the Second Commandment are Leftist or something like that.
Love GOD and love others as you love yourself.

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jar
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Message 208 of 302 (342449)
08-22-2006 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by robinrohan
08-22-2006 4:20 PM


Re: More of Robin's fantasy world appears.
In the Biblical context, it's taken for granted that we love ourself.
If it is taken for granted then why is it mentioned? Why is it included as a necessary part of the Second Great Commandment?
However, the meaning you are talking about in your religion is PC-oriented.
Yet more Robin asserts. I wish I knew as much about what I believe as robin does. LOL
Here I thought I was a Conservative Christian Rebublican and I find out that I am a Leftist. The things you learn at EvC.
It has to do with LEARNING to love oneself--i.e., achieving self-esteem.
You can of course show where I said that about as well as you have been able to support all your other assertions I imagine?
The term "self-esteem" was popularized in the 60s and 70s.
And exactly what does that have to do with Jesus and the Second Great Commandment?

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jar
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Message 227 of 302 (342518)
08-22-2006 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Omnivorous
08-22-2006 9:27 PM


A gentleman tries to never be unintentionally rude. Faith is very believable.

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Message 232 of 302 (342524)
08-22-2006 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by nator
08-22-2006 9:40 PM


Yeah, I remember reading about that study and laughing. Shows you can get damn near anything funded.

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Message 236 of 302 (342529)
08-22-2006 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by nator
08-22-2006 9:47 PM


It is a classic example of designing a survey to get the results you want. Worthy of Neil Newhouse or one of the other political pollsters.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 246 of 302 (342552)
08-22-2006 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by nator
08-22-2006 10:28 PM


Well, the whole concept that the terms used were comparable. Given the terms used I would have bet on the results. It was simply self fulfilling. But hey, even professors need to eat. And the sheer joy folk like me get from laughing at the results may even be worth the costs.

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jar
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Message 250 of 302 (342570)
08-22-2006 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by nator
08-22-2006 11:12 PM


No, not at all. I believe that when it is used as it was in the study it was assigned a conditional value. IMHO it was a silly study.
They used the term Man in an artificial way that provided the results they wanted. That's great for political opinion polls, but lousy science.
Like I said, the sheer joy though of laughing about it is probably worth any costs.

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jar
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Message 252 of 302 (342579)
08-22-2006 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by nator
08-22-2006 11:30 PM


I don't know what I would have chosen Schraf. Not at all sure any of the examples like Industrial Man woud be appropriate. There Man is a separate word, standing alone.
But hey, if the study makes you happy because you got the results you wanted, it makes me happy cause I can laugh at it, looks like a win-win to me.

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jar
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Message 290 of 302 (342709)
08-23-2006 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by nator
08-23-2006 12:04 AM


Your reply is a perfect example of what I am talking about Schraf.
If the students had been asked to illustrate "Man: His First Two Million Years" I imagine the pictures would have been all over the place. There Man is gender neutral. To say that the use of the term man in "Industrial Man" is the same as "Man: His First Two Million Years" while not exactly dishonest is certainly downright silly.
Context is everything Schraf. Only a fool or an idiot would say "Industrial Man" when refering to "Idustrial Society", at least after say 1890 or so.
But hey, if it makes you happy to smugly handwave away perfectly sound science without deigning to explain yourself when asked, nor bothering to address most of what I say, then go to it.
But hey, if it makes you happy to call a joke of a study science, then go for it.

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