International opinions: USA on science!

There are many Americans who understand exactly what you are saying and are actively working to marginalize the political power of those who, intentionally or otherwise, seek to destroy the ideals upon which this nation was founded. There are always individuals in any society that feel threatened by the rights of others to think for themselves and worship God as they see fit.The assault upon science, and therefore the economy and military power of the United States by dogmatic religious fanatics is weakening in my opinion, as the instinctive desire of most Americans to live and let live becomes more valuable as more recognize their cherished ideals are under attack. Those who truly care about this nation and its people are gradually awakening to the threat from the abomnible marriage of amoral fundamentalism and amoral politics, which has the sole concern of achieving total dominion regardless of means or cost.The image of this nation often suffers from incompetent leadership and distorted media interpretation. Let me assure you that the greatest strength of this nation is from the resilency and common sense of the majority of people, which eventually finds its greatest expression in times of crises.The proponents of ID are in retreat as victories against the forces of scientific ignorance, such as at Dover, have given public school boards pause in embracing inevitably costly taxpayer-funded court fights.As a veteran and professional educator, I have and am doing what I can to prevent the enemies of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, of science, and of public education, from ever accomplishing their goals. I am by no means alone in this sentiment, and I believe our numbers grow daily. You will find that many members of this forum feel exactly the same way I do in this matter. Among their distinguishing characteristics is that they generally comport themselves with more honor and dignity than some representatives of the opposition.

Here is a list of 43 examples of man's sinful and fallen nature that for one reason or another have an awful lot to do with religion.The domain name theskepticalreview.com is for sale!I agree that someone needs to re-research history. The question is who.

For the millionth time ID is not science, it creates no testable hypothesis, it has not been published in peer-reviewed scientific literature, and it is not suported by the vast majority of scientists.CI001.3: ID in the public.Joseph Goebbels (NAZI Propaganda Minister for those who are history-challenged) once said that if one repeats a lie long enough, the people will eventually believe its true. Is this the desperate strategy of ID supporters since being exposed as purjurists at Dover?I hope you are just befuddled rather than being delibrately misleading because: Exodus 20:16 - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Religion is not a cause of religious wars, like the 30 years war in Europe that originally was between Catholics and Protestants? Religion was not the cause of the mass suicides in Guyana? It was just people who up and decided to kill themselves or others?If the reason behind those examples has nothing to do with religion, then for what reason did these historical events occur? All the world's historians are awaiting your answer as to why their interpretations of history are all wrong.Or, are you arguing that people just kill others at random without causes or reasons? If that is so, then you are against the concept of history as a field of study. Also, the justice system would have to be completely rebuilt, since under your scenario of causeless murder, there would be no premeditated acts. I'm not the one who is arguing against the conceptual framework of entire fields of knowledge like history and science.

Half right. The assertion that evolution has nothing to do with the biosciences or geosciences will be news to them.

Do individuals control history, or do they need the support of other people to carry out their plans? When calling upon such support, do they use an ideology that often times in history, is a religion?Is athiesm the cause of WWII, or was it Nazism, or was it Hitler acting alone, or was it a combination of several forces? Remember there were six axis nations, so Nazism or Hitler don't explain all the actions of the Japanese for example, such as in Manchuria which predate Hitler's control of Germany. Additionally, it is amazing how often Hitler spoke of providence, which makes him more of a pagan than an athiest. Also, Japan's main prop for their militarisim was Shinto, a religion. As far as WWII is concerned, religion did have something to do with events, although it was one of many factors, so it was not primarily a religious war.As for the genocides of Zedong, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, were these due to the individuals acting alone or did they have support from others within the nation? If they did not personally kill all 100 million or so their reigns totalled, they must have had some way to motivate others to kill for them. In this case, it would be the ideology of communism, which granted, promotes athiesm. However, it is important to point out that not all athiests are communists. As to Hussein, as with other dictatorships including those mentioned above, control dictated rule by fear, which meant the murder of dissenters. Religion, in and of itself, is at best, one cause among many, in the above cases.The point I am making above is that ideology must be used by individuals to motivate others to kill for them. Therefore the ideology used is definately a "cause."What ideology was used to motivate individuals to kill others in the Thirty Years War? The Crusades? The thousands of battles occuring due to colonialism? The destruction of the Albegensians? The burning of witches? The struggles between the Islamic Ottomans and Christans in Europe?What ideology was used to torture, enslave, and kill Indians in the conquest? what justification was often used to enslave Africans, provided they were not killed in transit? What justified human sacrifice among the Aztecs? or Thugees?What justification was there for mass suicides such as Jonestown and Heaven's Gate?It is impossible to argue that religion was not one of, if not the, primary causes of these suicides, wars and genocides.However, this is the assertion you made in post 57 of this thread. This is flat-out a misrepresentation of history.Edited by anglagard, : minor grammarEdited by anglagard, : clarity