General discussion of moderation procedures - Part 7

When Jar closed the thread he said if anyone wants to go ahead and try to recruit people, go ahead. If you want to do the background work for EvC Forum to host a debate between Dembski and Dawkins, go right ahead. That's what the Great Debate forum is for.Please be clear that you don't represent EvC Forum, that you're just proposing it as a neutral and visible venue.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

I think it would be a signficicant challenge for anyone to convince Dembski or Dawkins to debate JAD, but you're free to pursue this. If you're successful we'll make whatever reasonable accomodations prove necessary.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

No moderator is impartial, every moderator runs their own show, and under most circumstances it isn't customary for moderators to seek consensus.Here's my own opinion. Consider an equivalent statement from the other side, maybe something like this: To me this represents valid opinion, and I think it's okay.Here's an example of the same thing, but more personal and in my opinion not okay: I think the above is over the top and that an admin should bring it to the author's attention.And then there's a gray area, where something like the above is phrased non-specifically using non-personal language, but there is something in the context or presentation that makes it seem personal nonetheless. Different people, including moderators, will react differently. Some people let things roll off them, others can find offense in even the most innocuous statement. When someone has what you feel is an unwarranted reaction to something you wrote, unless you've suffered grievously as a result, the most reasonable reaction is, "Oh, well, I guess that's just the way he sees it."

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

You didn't provide a link.There is no thread in which jar has posted recently that has somewhere around 179 messages.There is no thread in which jar has posted recently that is closed.Is this an old thread?{Note - I think the "179" was a typo, and should have been "279". Anyway, the topic was reopend. - AM}Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

I'm thinking of modifying the way suspensions work. The change would be that the clock wouldn't start ticking until the next time the suspendee accesses the site.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

I could not myself in good conscience recommend restoring Guido's privileges, and EvC Forum is not a department of New Jersey Social Services, which is really what needs to get involved.Send him email, he also uses Yahoo Messenger.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Then the thread should be released to the [forum=-34] forum.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi Faith,Let me address your concerns and put your mind at rest. My actions were in this order:

1. I read the thread, and while reading suspended two members for Forum Guidelines violations against you, Crashfrog and Mangy Tiger.
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2. I issued a warning about topic drift in Message 39, and I added this:
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   Admin writes:

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   If you posted a message after this one that is off topic, then please go back and fix it before I see it.
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3. I saw your Message 42 addressing the off-topic issues. I regretted having to take the action, but I could see no way to avoid it given the previous clear warning. You are the only one so far who posted off-topic after the warning.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

The primary qualification for residence in Showcase is showing persistent and extreme resistance to moderation. That's why there's largely no moderation in the forum.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

To everyone discussing JAD and his recent PEH thread,I'm replying to nwr because his message is the last in the chain.As nwr notes, this discussion doesn't seem to be focusing on a moderation issue. The proper place to discuss PEH is in JAD's thread. That thread has reached the 300 message limit and is now closed. If someone would like to pick up the PEH discussion or some related aspect of it, then propose a new thread in PAF and the moderator team will promote it as quickly as is practical. Please specify whether you would like JAD included in the discussion so that in that case we may place the thread in the Showcase forum.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

You might try giving my Message 150 from a recent thread a read. It explains that even legitimate complaints can be difficult to figure out.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hey! Dis is a respectable joint we're runnin' here. Yas wanna insult each other, take it outside!

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi Ray,Those showcased in the Showcase forum are intended to have privileges in these forums: That you had privileges for Coffee House was inadvertent, and I fixed this a few days ago. I apologize to you for this mistake that led you to believe you were entitled to Coffee House access.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

As a practical matter I have to point out that you can't pick and choose which moderators you will listen to. My suggestion is to discuss any issues you have in this thread.Another perspective to consider is the advantages of having someone interpreting rule 10 who is so intimately familiar with all its fine nuances.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director