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EvC Forum: Has EvC changed your beliefs?
Jazzns writes:
I have learned on this forum what I believe to be the absolute spiritual, emotional, and intellectual bankruptcy of the stereotypical fundamentalist position. Bankruptcy may even be too lenient a word. At the worst I can only call it unadulterated intellectual depravity. I have seen what I feel is raw hate, racism, and other types of discrimination. I have seen levels of incredulity that I did not know a human being could even attain without the assistance of some kind of disorder. I am sort of typing stream of consciousness right now and I feel like some of that might be harsh but I cannot really describe how I feel about it accurately any other way.
AdmnBuzsaw writes:
Jazzns, sorry to have to bring this warning after your POTM nomination, but it has been brought to my attention by members who were insulted by it and I have to agree with them after reading this that this part of your message should have been kept to yourself. I see this as an insult to all Biblical fundamentalists, implicating all members here at EvC who hold to the fundamentals of the Bible; a violation of item 10 of the
Forum Guidelines and I hope that in the future you will work to keep the peace and show respect to all members here at EvC. Thanks.
1. A Biblical fundamentalist is one who takes a more literal rendering of the scriptures. The fundamentalist is one who regards the fundamentals of anything as going
by the book. Whether applying the word fundamental to the scriptures, an automobile manual, or a science textbook, et al, it means the same thing.
2. Unfortunately, many secularists, in their minds,
stereotype most of us who do hold to the fundamentals of scripture as deluded folks. That's fine. Many Biblical fundamentalists stereotype secularists as deluded.
3. EvC is a debate board where the folks debate on who's really deluded, but there are
Forum Guidelines to temper the action so as not to turn debate into all out war.
4. I did not suspend you or even threaten to do so. I submitted a mild warning to the effect that having said plenty in the rest of the message to make your point, the satements above should have been kept to yourself.
I did not critique the whole message by a long shot. I left you with plenty to make your point in a kinder gentler manner.
5. It was not enough for you to call "it" i.e.
stereotyped fundamentalist position (my emboldment)bankrupt. You went over the line, using words and phrases like
unadulterated intellectual depravity .......hate .....racism ......discrimination .... human being could even attain without the assistance of some kind of disorder, (the latter implicating mentally impaired).
6. The stereotyped Biblical fundamentalist
position, as you put it is the position some members of this board hold to. Thus you are applying the words and phrases used in the above cited statements to members of this board with whose ideology you happen to disagree with.
7. Likely had one of the Biblical fundamentalists described the stereotyped positions you and yours take on many debatable matters as you did, implicating insults on the members taking those
positions they would have gotten more than a nice spirited warning.
8. I say consider yourself mildly admonished, apply the constructive advice to future messages and move on to better stuff.
Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : Edited to update message title