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iano
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Message 75 of 177 (324919)
06-22-2006 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Heathen
06-22-2006 2:15 PM


Re: Sigmunds Fraud
Remember Larni asked (twice) that I would apply Christian theology to the dream - so I presume that is not your objection
You can have no objection to this. Larni asked, I obliged. If you do object take it up with Larni.
- more how I did it.
yep
Given that your problem lies not in the 'doing' but in the 'how' it was done, could you tell me in which way I could answer the question that would be ameniable to you?
Sorry about the Georgy bit. A little over the top - but you seem to object to me yet say nothing to Larni who asked the question. In fact you agreed with him earlier when he got a response to a question he asked.
One gathers the true problem lies elsewhere. Crevo attacking for attacking sake. If so - take the hits that go with it if they come

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iano
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Message 76 of 177 (324920)
06-22-2006 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Larni
06-22-2006 2:26 PM


Re: God speaks to Larni in a dream (cos God does that kind of thing)
Johnny Cash I'm afraid. I was a skinhead in Depeche M days. If anyone had tried to talk to me about Jesus I would have probably nutted them.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 78 of 177 (324924)
06-22-2006 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Larni
06-22-2006 2:17 PM


Re: God speaks to Larni in a dream (cos God does that kind of thing)
Is that the time. Sheet
Later dude. I'm off to worship practice. Forgive me Lord for the speed I am about to commit

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iano
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Message 81 of 177 (324927)
06-22-2006 2:35 PM
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06-22-2006 2:33 PM


Re: God speaks to Larni in a dream (cos God does that kind of thing)
Me too. The Lord promises that he will restore the (unbelieving) years the locusts have swallowed up. He did in many ways for me. But not in that department alas

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iano
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Message 82 of 177 (324929)
06-22-2006 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Heathen
06-22-2006 2:33 PM


Re: Sigmunds Fraud
Christ!
A Freudian Slip?

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iano
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Message 85 of 177 (324972)
06-22-2006 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Larni
06-22-2006 2:38 PM


Re: Aslan is not a tame lion
Dream interpretation is on the same hokey floor as tea leaves, astrology and tarot.
Dream on...
quote:
The results suggest that dream interpretation can be used to help female clients gain insight and relationship well-being.
Have a look at titles and publications referred to in the references at the bottom of this very scientific looking paper.
Dream Interpretation with Heterosexual Dating Couples - Kolchakian -  ASD Journal Dreaming  12(1)

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iano
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Message 86 of 177 (324984)
06-22-2006 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Larni
06-22-2006 2:23 PM


Bon appetit (from the perspective of the prey)
I had the impression I was her prey
Assuming we can assume the Lion/Jesus connection at this point some things to note which may illuminate our pop psychology.
In case you haven't got one...
A well laid out online Bible
1) The process of God making Christians is pictured in the Bible as you being crucified. Put to death. The 'old man', the spiritually dead one, is done away with. The necessity for this happening is also given below. The start of Romans 7 uses illustrations from marriage to elaborate on this idea of how one is freed from being subject to The Law which says 'do this' 'do that'.
quote:
Romans6:6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin - 7because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.
...freed from sin. Sin being Law breaking. Free from the addiction to sin I have spoken of before. "If the Son sets you free (from The Law) you will be free indeed"
2) A person can only inhabit one of two states. 'In Adam' (we are all born that way) or 'in Christ' (old man is put to death - and immediately we are reborn and placed (by God) into Christ - all part of the same saving process that God applies). You would be in him. Just like you would be were you eaten by a lion. This sounds like you would not be you anymore - being consumed like that. But it is either be consumed like that or remain in the belly of Adam. A person who is captive to sin is not free. Freedom is an illusion. We are slaves/servants/sons either of Satan or God. No other options possible.
quote:
Romans 8:1 Therefore ("as a result of the argument I have given up to now to support this" says Paul), there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.
The Law of sin and death = the law of God that says "Do this" "Don't do that". The one we cannot ever keep. We are freed from subjection to this law and become subject to a law we can keep. He enables us to keep it. And in an irresistable way. Love for him means we want to do things his way.
3) Being consumed by this Lion may well involve pain. That pain might be the torture of a search which takes you down one blind alley after the other. It may involve being broken. It may, as it does in the case of alcholics who find their strength in their "higher power" - require total devastation. The process of crucifixion can be excruciating if one lets themselves be crucified. One possible experience may be the inner turmoil that Paul describes here of a man on the point of salvation:
quote:
Romans 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do ” this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God's law (or doing the right thing); 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?
It can be this way, it can be dozens of ways that differ in detail from this. Each arrives with their own testimony. This one is similar to my own. Then I was saved and could (and still do) say the very next sentence of this passage:
quote:
Romans 7:25 Thanks be to God”through Jesus Christ our (my) Lord!
4) And it would have to be a lioness! The one whose characteristic is to act out of concern for her offspring (-to-be).
Larni earlier writes:
life, death and rebirth, sacrifice, forgiveness,
iano writes:
life: it was there in the distance. In the church. Not yet seen as life but then again there is a continuum on the road to salvation. Next dream perhaps
Next dream indeed! It didn't take long. The above is life for you Larni. First you have to die however. Its worth it. Well worth it.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 91 of 177 (324996)
06-22-2006 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by CK
06-22-2006 6:13 PM


Re: Bon appetit (from the perspective of the prey)
Ringo speculating about Jesus writes:
shemale
CK speculating about Jesus writes:
ladyboy.
quote:
Luke 6:45 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.
Edited by iano, : attribute quotes

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iano
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 97 of 177 (325005)
06-22-2006 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by CK
06-22-2006 6:54 PM


Re: Bon appetit (from the perspective of the prey)
You harbour hate for ladyboys in your heart? Is that what you are saying? So why are you dreaming about them?
For any lurkers who have tripped across this and want to find out more then this is as good a place to start as any! Welcome to EvC!
Good question: I had the impression I was her prey

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iano
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Message 104 of 177 (325185)
06-23-2006 5:19 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Omnivorous
06-22-2006 8:41 PM


Re: God speaks to Larni in a dream (cos God does that kind of thing)
I was more a head-butter myself, being gifted with a prominent median sagittal ridge, on which noses, lips and finger bones have broken.
You ain't met him yet. No contest.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 105 of 177 (325186)
06-23-2006 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by nator
06-22-2006 8:23 PM


Re: God speaks to Larni in a dream (cos God does that kind of thing)
Western culture is steeped in Christian theology, particulary in the US
Maybe in the US. Not on this side of the pond. Here we had some on-deaths-door Roman Catholicism - which can hardly be described as Christian theology. Not sure what Larni was exposed to though

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 106 of 177 (325198)
06-23-2006 6:38 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by nator
06-22-2006 8:19 PM


schraf writes:
Me too (has the finesse of a bloke)....which is why I get along so well with the blokes.
Nah...I think it's because your very pretty. Now that your photo is on open forum you'll never know one way or the other. Guys are suckers for pretty girls.
Edited by iano, : add 'very' so as to prevent accusations of semantics and weaving and ducking and diving and...

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 108 of 177 (325202)
06-23-2006 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by robinrohan
06-23-2006 6:43 AM


a-dul'-ter-i: In Scripture designates sexual intercourse of a man, whether married or unmarried, with a married woman.
Besides, I am myself betrothed to another. Namely Christ.

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 110 of 177 (325209)
06-23-2006 7:12 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by robinrohan
06-23-2006 7:09 AM


Oh, SHE was married. Did this dream-woman correspond to someone real?
Nope. Although the precise setting isn't clear (some kind of dinner party I vaguely recall) I was aware she was married.

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iano
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Message 112 of 177 (325212)
06-23-2006 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by purpledawn
06-23-2006 7:19 AM


Re: Virtual Adultery
Yeah, either way there is something to think about. But since there is no sure way to know one way or the other (is a 'conscious' decision made in a dream a 'conscious' decision?) I gave sin the benefit of the doubt and repented of 'it'.

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