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New Cat's Eye
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Message 1 of 71 (322139)
06-16-2006 8:00 AM


I read this bulletin off myspace and thought it could spark ad interesting discussion.
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Do you remember February 1993 when a young 3 yr. old was taken from a Shopping mall in Liverpool, NY by two 10-year-old boys? Jamie Bulger walked away from his mother for only a second and Jon Venables took his hand and led him out of the mall with his friend Robert Thompson. They took Jamie on a walk for over 2 and a half miles, along the way stopping every now and again to torture the poor little boy who was crying constantly for his mommy. Finally they stopped at a railway track where they brutally kicked him, threw stones at him, rubbed paint in his eyes and pushed
batteries up his anus. It was actually worse than this...
What these two boys did was so horrendous that Jamie's mother was FORBIDDEN to identify his body. They then left his beaten small body on the tracks so a train could run him over to hide the mess they had created. These two boys, even being boys, understood what they did was wrong, hence trying to make it look like an accident. This week Lady Justice Butler-Sloss has awarded the two boys anonymity for the rest of their lives when they leave custody with new identities. We cannot let this happen. They will also leave early this year only serving just over half of their sentence. One paper even stated that Robert may go on to a University. They are getting away with their crime.
I remember seeing a Learning Channel (or Court TV or something) special on this case. This bulletin looks accurate from what I can remember.
I don't really know where I stand on this, but right now I think I could take the position that these guys should be let out. I dunno, maybe a discussion could help me figure it out.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 11 of 71 (322177)
06-16-2006 10:18 AM


I hate how there's so much bullshit being passed around on the internet.
Thanks everyone for clearing this up for me.
I can't believe that people are adding their names to this petition to keep them in jail and reposting the bulletin. LOL, and they're already out. I guess people don't think about it and just slap their name on it and reply. I read it and thought, "What!? these guys don't need to be locked up anymore..."
Like Crashfrog said, they're probably not gonna do something like this again.
I agree with yall that these guys should be out.
Thanks again.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 16 of 71 (323202)
06-19-2006 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Legend
06-17-2006 7:20 PM


Re: Let'em all out!
hell, why not?
From a moral point of view, what they did could be considered unforgivable. But, from a legal point of view, we don't try minors as adults so we should let them out.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 20 of 71 (323294)
06-19-2006 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by rgb
06-19-2006 12:51 PM


Re: Let'em all out!
Some would argue that sociopathic children can never be cured. Perhaps our current legal system is ill equipped to deal with such an issue?
Perhaps.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 47 of 71 (324241)
06-21-2006 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Legend
06-21-2006 7:20 AM


your giving kids too much credit
Do you know many 10-year olds who will willingly hit themselves with a 10kg iron bar ? I don't think so, as they are fully aware of the consequences of this action.
I'm sure they are aware of the immediate consequences but I do not think they are fully aware of all the ramifications.
Think of the boy who cried wolf. He knew the cry would bring him attention (an immediate consequence) but he didn't know the false alarms would ruin the real one (a full ramification).
I don't think children are experienced, or wise, enough to consider the full ramifications, or assume full responsibility, for thier actions.
As far as fooling the legal system into letting them out, I'm pretty sure, with all the hype, that their evaluation was complete and accurate. They didn't trick people into letting them out.
There wasn't a momentary impulse or single decision involved in this case. It was a series of planned, repeated and sustained actions.
They even tried to destroy the evidence afterwards, which shows they were fully aware of what they've done.
You can't claim these. Way too much speculation.
This is your opinion on what they did. The legal system had a different one and let them out.
Instead of imagining the scenario where they should not be let out, can you at least imagine the scenario where these boys should be let out??

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 51 of 71 (324310)
06-21-2006 10:12 AM
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06-21-2006 10:00 AM


Re: these are the things we can do without
Yes, but some posters argue that they should be let out early because when they committed the crime 'they were only 10'.
I'd argue that.
I say that, in this particular case, their age shouldn't be a mitigating factor for their actions and therefore they should serve a much longer term than they did.
That's a respectable opinion to hold. The legal system thought otherwise though.
The fact that they didn't is a mockery of the term 'justice' and an insult to the victim's family.
Another valid opinion. Kinda the point of the thread.
Is it the severity of the crime and the apparent premeditation, to you, that makes you think letting them out is injustice?
I think that they were kids and should not be punished as adulta. I think the legal experts would make the right decision in this case and they decided to let them out. I also think they won't do something like this again and aren't bad, innate, and should be allowed out.
Would you feel better if the parents of the victim made a statement that they forgive the boys and wouldn't mind them being let out?

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