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gene90
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Message 12 of 56 (22532)
11-13-2002 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Lemming
11-12-2002 10:26 PM


[QUOTE][B]if we evolved from monkeys there would be half man half monkeys walking around now that i can't prove but neither can those so called scientists that study Evolution[/QUOTE]
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Nope, they're all extinct. But haven't you heard of Java Man? Australopithecus? We don't have *all* the transitionals...but if evolution did not happen why are there any transitionals at all?
And why were there ever Neanderthals if evolution did not happen. (And no, Neanderthals are not human ancestors).
[QUOTE][B]also i would like to make a interesting point about the pyramids after all if there is evolution there is devolution and why all them years ago could humans build such works of art[/QUOTE]
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Why would there be "devolution"? Also, why would it be manifest on such a small time scale? No scientist out there has made a claim for "devolution".
[QUOTE][B]all them years ago could humans build such works of art and aline them with stars in far away galaxies[/QUOTE]
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The pyramids are not aligned to any stars in "far away galaxies" they are aligned after the three stars in Orion's belt. Those stars are very much in our galaxy.
[QUOTE][B]support these words Nasa just took some picture of a star in space that creates a energy discharge every so ofter they have captured a few of these energy discharges on film and the pictures show a bow of light[/QUOTE]
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But the verses from Genesis were obvious talking about something else.
[QUOTE][B]Meaning someone has either look up at space with a high powered telescope all those millions of years ago[/QUOTE]
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Genesis was "millions of years ago" ?
[QUOTE][B]but the monkey to human theory well lets just say someone had a wild vision[/QUOTE]
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There is a tremendous amount of evidence you must ignore.

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gene90
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Message 13 of 56 (22535)
11-13-2002 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Quetzal
11-13-2002 1:25 AM


Quetzal;
It looks strange because Message 4 was plagiarized from this site:
Is there a difference between monkeys and apes? | HowStuffWorks

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gene90
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Message 36 of 56 (22753)
11-14-2002 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by obsidian
11-14-2002 12:39 AM


[QUOTE][B]Consider slave labor.[/QUOTE]
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Current thinking is that they were not built by slave labor but by farmers contracted during the off-season. (Not that I would be enthusiastic about signing up though)
[QUOTE][B]However, the Egyptians we obviously very well versed in the building of pyramids (there are smaller versions of burial tombs like Great Pyramids of Giza dotted round Egypt).[/QUOTE]
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Indeed. Like the Bent Pyramid. Or the step pyramids. Clearly pyramid-building evolved and some of them were quite embarrassing.
[QUOTE][B]
Also, could you post the link or the information about this bottle you keep referring to? I tried to look it up on the Web to get the details, but I couldn't find anything.[/QUOTE]
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Yeah I'd be particularly interested in these rock bottles. For one, he said that they were one of the hardest "rocks" on Earth, after diamond. Hmmm, that would be what...Corundum? As I understand it the bedrock geology of Egypt is limestone.

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gene90
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Message 37 of 56 (22757)
11-14-2002 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Lemming
11-13-2002 6:01 PM


[QUOTE][B]i understand what that site was trying to say but still disbelieve we evolved from monkey/apes why there are 235 modern primate species living today yet not one of them can talk apart from the human why is this surely some of them would have evolved to talk [/QUOTE]
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Because talking is unique to advanced hominids with large brain cavities. There is no reason for any animal to be able to talk if it lacks the intellectual capacity to speak and comprehend speech. Having said that, have you thought about the wide variety of vocalizations used by primates to communicate?

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gene90
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Message 38 of 56 (22759)
11-14-2002 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Lemming
11-13-2002 6:01 PM


[QUOTE][B]if we can find many different species of dinosaur (bones) which would be around 250 million years old why can't we find many different species of Apemen[/QUOTE]
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Dinosaurs were the dominant form of terrestrial life throughout the Mesozoic. Their fossils are everywhere. Hominids are very rare fossils because they have been around only a few million years and have only lived in a very small corner of the world (the Rift Valley zone) and probably have always had very small populations.

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gene90
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Message 39 of 56 (22760)
11-14-2002 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Lemming
11-13-2002 6:53 PM


[QUOTE][B]answer you just put the real facts in failed to answer the question and anyway its not about how and why they was built it was about the people who built[/QUOTE]
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Why would aliens come to Earth to build big stone pyramids? It makes no sense.
Also why would those hypothetical aliens make bottles out of stone? Wouldn't it make more sense to make them out of something more useful and lightweight, like plastic?
[QUOTE][B]built it was about the people who built them they had more knowledge than that of any later day Human "Correct" (Because we can't build them "Now")[/QUOTE]
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You're actually suggesting that we can send men to the Moon and build tremendous bridges and office towers but we cannot manage to pile a bunch of rocks up in the shape of a pyramid?
[QUOTE][B]also lets see if you can answer the question about the bottle because thats the one that really gets on scientists nerves they have failed to answer it or did they choose to ignore it[/QUOTE]
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Perhaps you would like to share with us more information about these bottles?

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gene90
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Message 42 of 56 (22766)
11-14-2002 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Lemming
11-14-2002 4:25 PM


[QUOTE][B]i don't believe this humans have been around 1-2 million years all over the worlds take england for example you can find human burial grounds and human bones all of the place,This is also a large area too[/QUOTE]
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England was colonized a relatively short time ago, and only by modern humans.
[QUOTE][B]But humans have been around half the time Apemen was meant to be around already and you have failed to find more then 1 apeman bone or bones belonging to different types of apeman[/QUOTE]
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That's wrong on both counts. There are hundreds of "apemen" and several species. But to call them "apemen" is incorrect because humans did not evolve from apes. We have a common ancestor.
[QUOTE][B]another thing would be what makes you so sure Lucy was apart of the evolution line with human and not the modern day Ape ? [/QUOTE]
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Because Lucy is not an ape. There are apes alive today. We know what ape skeletons look like.
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gene90
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Message 46 of 56 (22802)
11-14-2002 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Lemming
11-14-2002 6:29 PM


[QUOTE][B]What makes you think Lucy Skeleton wasn't the same form of what the modern apes of her time looked like ?[/QUOTE]
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Because it looks more human, with primitive characteristics.
It's quite simple.
Apes are not bipedal.
Lucy was a biped.
Therefore.
Lucy was not an ape.
[QUOTE][B]so your saying you don't think the modern day apes evolved over the last 3-4 million years ?[/QUOTE]
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I am not saying that. I am saying that Lucy was not an ape.
[QUOTE][B]What makes you think Lucy Skeleton wasn't the same form of what the modern apes of her time looked like ?[/QUOTE]
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Because we know what ape skeletons look like. That isn't one.
[QUOTE][B]i would like to know the common ancestor? you failed to point this one out[/QUOTE]
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Not found yet, to my knowledge. We just know there is one via DNA homology.
[QUOTE][B]Looking so far has if you believe in the evolution of the one but not the other.The one being the Human side the other being the apes side[/QUOTE]
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You're not making sense.
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gene90
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Message 54 of 56 (22923)
11-16-2002 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Lemming
11-15-2002 3:03 AM


[QUOTE][B]Is that the Ape of Today's Skeleton or the Apes of 4 million years ago's Skeleton[/QUOTE]
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Either one. By definition there are certain anatomical traits that distinguish an ape from other animals. If "apes" from then were that different then they would not have been "apes" now would they?
Now you ignored a point. Lucy was a biped. How can she have been an ape?

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gene90
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Message 55 of 56 (22924)
11-16-2002 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Karl
11-15-2002 5:35 AM


[QUOTE][B]Actually, skeletons older than a few hundred years are pretty rare. You find the odd Roman one, but usually they've crumbled to nothing.[/QUOTE]
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But to be fair--the pre-Christian Romans cremated their dead.

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