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arachnophilia
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Message 46 of 317 (221915)
07-05-2005 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by crashfrog
07-04-2005 9:13 PM


Re: back to the garden
Mine explained the drastic shift in narrative and focus between the Old and New Testaments - from the harsh, judgemental, legalistic God of the Old to the redemptive, accepting, tolerant God of the New.
unfortunately, that distinction is not so clear. the middle christian church, for instance, believed that revelation told of a judging and condemning christ, who would pose as the accuser at the final trial. this image can be found on tons of medieval church doorways.
and jews, who are without a new testament, often hold their god to be very forgiving.

אָרַח

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robinrohan
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Message 47 of 317 (221924)
07-05-2005 3:39 PM
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07-04-2005 9:13 PM


Simple's point
I think he's trying to say that the Bible contains explanations of events that are otherwise mysterious, such as how the animals ate after they got off the ark. (That problem never occurred to me, to be frank).
And so Adam and others had to live a long time in order to populate the earth quickly, and so did Noah, I guess.
So the point is not about God but about the validity of the Bible--I guess.

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Message 48 of 317 (221954)
07-05-2005 5:32 PM
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07-05-2005 3:39 PM


Re: Simple's point
I think he's trying to say that the Bible contains explanations of events that are otherwise mysterious, such as how the animals ate after they got off the ark.
But the Bible doesn't contain them. Only the Bible+Simple contains them. You have to add to the Bible to explain it, and even then, he's just promoting one more variety of "God did it by magic." I don't see the point in it, do you?

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simple 
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Message 49 of 317 (222060)
07-06-2005 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by DrJones*
07-04-2005 1:17 AM


Re: fast track
These are pretty new ideas. The merge and split are new concepts. I can't blame those who never had them before.

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simple 
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Message 50 of 317 (222061)
07-06-2005 3:17 AM
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07-05-2005 5:32 PM


Re: Simple's point
No, not by magic. By the spiritual added to the mere physical. The bible is not limited by physical only at all, and never was or will be. We need to see both, and understand it was not just the one alone.

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simple 
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Message 51 of 317 (222062)
07-06-2005 3:18 AM
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07-05-2005 3:39 PM


Re: Simple's point
Both. God wrote the bible by possessing men.

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simple 
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Message 52 of 317 (222063)
07-06-2005 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by DrJones*
07-04-2005 1:20 AM


Re: fast track
Have you seen eagle fethers? They are something like 6-9 inches long! Claws also are long. The same hour, it says these things came upon him. This means there were major changes, including diet, since he now ate likw a cow. Don't try to hand me your baloney, Hid feathers were like eagle feathes, yes, but he was not an eagle, so they were not identical, but they were feathers, and claws, etc. Far less would be called an evolutionary change. No doubt.

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simple 
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Message 53 of 317 (222064)
07-06-2005 3:29 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by robinrohan
07-04-2005 4:39 PM


Re: back to the garden
The more we look at it, the more we will be amazed

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crashfrog
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Message 54 of 317 (222096)
07-06-2005 7:22 AM
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07-06-2005 3:17 AM


Re: Simple's point
By the spiritual added to the mere physical.
Right, magic.
The bible is not limited by physical only at all, and never was or will be.
Neither is it limited by the presence or absence of the spiritual, so why are you trying to make it that way?

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Message 55 of 317 (222097)
07-06-2005 7:23 AM
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07-06-2005 3:25 AM


Re: fast track
simple writes:
The same hour, it says these things came upon him. This means there were major changes [...] Far less would be called an evolutionary change. No doubt.
Did he reproduce to achieve these changes? Was he selected for by the environment? No? Then it's not evolution. You don't know what you are talking about.

We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins

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robinrohan
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Message 56 of 317 (222101)
07-06-2005 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by crashfrog
07-05-2005 5:32 PM


Genesis as modern fiction--maybe a movie in it
I don't see the point in it, do you?
Well, if you wanted to translate Genesis into modern fiction, you could add these creative details like "hyper-evolution."
One wonders about the dialogue. Since they lived for so long, Cain when he killed Abel might have been at least 100 years old. But in comparative terms, he'd be a mere teenager. Should he use teenage street-slang?
A tough literary call. Might come off as merely silly.
That's about the only use I can see for this fascinating theory.

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DrJones*
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Message 57 of 317 (222161)
07-06-2005 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by simple
07-06-2005 3:25 AM


Re: fast track
Have you seen eagle fethers? They are something like 6-9 inches long! Claws also are long.
So? I again quote:
his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers
his nails like birds' claws
He did not have feathers and claws. These line are similes, they are using colorful and descriptive language to say that his hair grew long and covered him fully and his nails become long and sharp.
Don't try to hand me your baloney
This isn't my baloney it's the Bibles.

*not an actual doctor

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simple 
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Message 58 of 317 (222288)
07-07-2005 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by crashfrog
07-06-2005 7:22 AM


very much
The bible is very much limited to the presence or absence of spiritual things. Heaven is spiritual, as Is God, and there could not be eternal life without the spiritual. The physical limitations are well addressed in the bible, like 'the natural (physical) man receiveth not the things of the spirit'. And
1Co 15:50 - Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
So it very much is concerned with the presence and absence of it

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simple 
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Message 59 of 317 (222289)
07-07-2005 3:19 AM
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07-06-2005 7:23 AM


Re: fast track
So reproduction in your opinion is required for it to be evolution. Who reproduced the first lifeform?
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simple 
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Message 60 of 317 (222290)
07-07-2005 3:25 AM
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07-06-2005 8:25 AM


see no evil
Good point. The spiritual must still have been at work for the long lifespans. In our physical only we can see it is now impossible. Like growing a tree in a day. Like living forever. Like the sun not ever burning out. Not possible in the box of the physical only. Like the known spirit world of angels, ghosts, and supernatural, we know there is something more. To simply stick ones fingers in our eyes or ears would not make it go away.
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