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Topic: Hyper evolution in the bible
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 5 of 317 (221455)
07-03-2005 1:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by simple
07-03-2005 1:34 PM
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Re: back to the garden
I can support your right to believe such stuff until you get down to the end of your second post.
Now you can disbelieve the bible, fine, but you cannot say it did not work this way. Of course we can. It never happened that way.
Since we now know that hyper evolution could happen quickly, the bible embraces science, and any rapid adaptation it may require. Well, no we don't know that hyper-evolution happened or even could happen. If you want to say that you believe it happened, that's fine. If though you want to assert it happened as a fact, then you need to provide the evidence.
Yet, we can now go back to teaching children the proper timeframe of the bible, as part of science, and creation as well. You can as long as you understand that you are teaching something that is false.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 8 of 317 (221460)
07-03-2005 3:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by simple
07-03-2005 2:54 PM
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Re: back to the garden
Well, if God did not plant a garden that grew for man, how did it happen, where did I go wrong in reading the bible here? When you can provide some evidence that the Garden of Eden ever existed, then we can discuss that. Where you went wrong is in assuming that the Bible is to be interpreted literally. That's fine as long as it's a personal belief, but it falls apart theologically or scientificly when you try to say that it's fact.
For starters, many people accept the bible as evidence. They are free to believe that is so. It is only when they try to support such a belief as fact that things fall apart. When you have some evidence, please return and present it. So far all you've ever produced is bare assertions with no evidence in support.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 12 of 317 (221466)
07-03-2005 3:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 10 by simple
07-03-2005 3:34 PM
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The Bible as Evidence
In this thread, the bible is admissable as evidence. Yes it is, and it carries exactly the same weight of evidence as the MicMac Creation Myth. You are free to believe anything you want. If and when you have some evidence, please present it. This message has been edited by jar, 07-03-2005 02:49 PM
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 19 of 317 (221504)
07-03-2005 9:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by simple
07-03-2005 8:47 PM
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Re: The PO as Evidence
Simple. Present some evidence that supports your position and assertions.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 24 of 317 (221512)
07-03-2005 9:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by simple
07-03-2005 9:16 PM
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Re: The PO as Evidence
Bible evidence is the name of the game here, and I gave plenty, and have more. And your Bible evidence carries the same weight as the Norse Creation Myths or Baal.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 28 of 317 (221529)
07-03-2005 10:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by simple
07-03-2005 10:06 PM
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Re: getting noticed
Actually, I believe in the GOD of the Bible, just not in the literal interpretation of a book written by plain old men with all of the limitations of their era. Now if you can provide some evidence to support any one of your assertions, then maybe we can get somewhere. But it's hard to use a book like Genesis that is nothing but allegory as evidence of anything more than the fact that the authors didn't have the information that has been learned over the last several thousand years.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 31 of 317 (221535)
07-03-2005 10:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 30 by simple
07-03-2005 10:28 PM
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Re: getting noticed
Yup. Lots of misinformation. That is why it is bad science to go by two thousand year old tales and even worse theology. It is a denial of the wonders GOD wrought and the worship of a mere book. Those who take the old tales as truth have lost sight of the Message of GOD and abandoned the path.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 70 of 317 (222594)
07-08-2005 1:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 67 by simple
07-08-2005 5:32 AM
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Re: Evolution 101
God breathing life into man is out, then. Yes, and No! If you mean that the literal direct creation of man by GOD as something unique as described in Genesis, then yes, that's out for sure. There has been nothing ever found that seems to imply that man, or cats, or pine trees are some unique creation. But that does not eliminate GOD from the picture. If GOD created the universe and the rules that govern it, then the laws of chemical bonding were part of that creation. The more we learn the more likely it becomes that chemical bonding leading towards the precursors of live, the basic amino acids, is an inevitable result of those rules governing this universe. Life almost has to begin.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 111 of 317 (224019)
07-15-2005 9:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 109 by simple
07-15-2005 8:51 PM
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Fast Growth
Also, lets see you grow a tree that bears fruit in a few days! BFD. Even Jack did greater things with that with only a bean he got for a cow. How is Jack's feat any less miraculous than anything in the Bible?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: arachnophilia
me? i'm a creationist. i believe in god and that he created everything. i'm also an evolutionist, because i believe he did through and including evolution. I think that is so important. There are two views (or more) of GOD. In one he is a miserable inventor, barely competent. He creates something that then immediately starts degrading, falling apart. Life spans shorten, death enters, fast food becomes the norm. In the other, GOD creates a system that is self healing, provides the capability for things to change to meet new challenges. One view, the Classic Biblical Creationist is a world filled with decay and desperation. The other is a world filled with growth, renewal and advancement.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 222 of 317 (227103)
07-28-2005 1:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 221 by simple
07-28-2005 12:59 PM
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This just gets funnier and sillier by the moment.
But it must have taken some time to build the ark, even if he spent his life savings, and that of his family, and hired a few hundred helpers! Hey guys, thanks for building the Ark. Now get screwed. "You're gonna drown! You're gonna drown!" Fade to workmen up to their collective necks in water and old Noah standing on the deck of Good Ship Ark. Suckers
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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