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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Look, if you aren't claiming that a vegetarian diet actually reduces the incidence of cancer, then what are you claiming?
First you say that "of course there are differential cancer risks for all sorts of things", but then start talking about smoking 3 packs a day and implying that eating red meat is similar. You are criticizing meat consumption, mentioning cancer (and comparing meat consumption to smoking), but then when I ask you to provide some kind of comparative research which actually shows that a vegetarian diet really does decrease cancer incidence compared to, say, a Mediterranean diet, you then try to say that you are making no such claim? Again, I ask you, if you aren't claiming that a vegetarian diet actually reduces the incidence of cancer, then what are you talkng about?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Um, well, Okinawa is known as the pork-consumption capital of Japan. Two of our best friends lived in Okinawa for several years at various times, and another friend has visited there. They were treated to many dinners out at very traditional Okinawan restaurants and were served one fatty, rich pork dish after another. Page Not Found - Okinawa.com
The preferred meat Pork is important to the Okinawan diet, a food tradition borrowed from the Chinese and preferred, as it is in many island nations, because the land lacks an abundance of grazing land. All part of the pig were used, often preserved in salt so that the meat could provide nourishment for many months. There’s an Okinawan joke that the only thing you cannot use of the pig is the pig’s cry when it’s about to be slaughtered, said Yamada. Rafute is a classic pork dish, in which the meat is simmered for several hours in stock and soy, resulting in a tender soy-glazed pork punctuated with accents of ginger. Numerous pork and vegetable combinations are served with a bowl of rice — for example, pork, goya and eggplant chanpuru, seasoned with miso. Other notable dishes from the pig include pigs feet soup, spare ribs and nakami, or intestine soup. Pork may not be considered good for the body because of the fat, said Yamada. But we almost always cook it with vegetables and tofu; pork is a small portion of the dish. And the meat is generally cooked more than once. Pork also flavors soups for soba dishes, another common dish of Okinawan cuisine, but made with wheat flour rather than buckwheat noodles.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: 1) Buy high quality fish, preferably wild caught, not farmed. 2) Buy cold water, fatty fish like salmon, bluefish, and tuna. 3) Do not overcook it. 4) Most fish is supposed to be fairly delicate, so don't expect t-bone flavor from red snapper, for example.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Is your point that there is a third option: non-vegetarian but no red meat? Because you certainly have not always said 'red meat', and your analogy below suggests you really are comparing meat vs. no-meat:
quote: That doesn't make sense. If X > Y, the it MUST follow that Y < X. If someone smokes, they increase their risk of cancer. If someone doesn't smoke, they reduce their risk of cancer. So, not smoking is associated with a reduced cancer risk.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
If you are going to attempt a vegan diet it would be a good idea to take synthetic supplements of iron, zinc, Niacin, B6 and B12, as these important nutrients are pretty difficult to get without fairly regular consumption of animal products.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Yeah, I stopped consuming swordfish because I learned during a visit to the Chicago Aquarium they were being overfished.
Thanks for this informative website. It will definitely help me make more informed fish purchases in the future.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Okinawan cuisine website
Okinawa - The Island of Pork:
Pork appears so frequently in the Okinawan diet that to say "meat" is really to say "pork." Everything from head to tail is used. As the saying has it, only the "oink" and the toenails go begging. It is no exaggeration to say that the present-day Okinawan diet begins and ends with pork. Especially in the case of hogs, what the meat lacks in (vitamin A, D and others), the entrails more than make up for it. The stomach and innards are cooked together in a clear "Nakami" soup. The liver and heart, together with vegetables, make "Motsu" (giblet) dishes. These dishes contain high-quality protein and are rich in vitamins and minerals. We have the belief in Okinawa, based on the philosophy of food as medicine, that when one or more of your internal organs is out of kilter, it is good to eat the same innards of animals. The idea is to eat a food that supplies whatever is lacking. Pig feet and pork with the skin on are washed under boiling water and then simmered and eaten. The skin contains a high-quality protein called collagen. Pork Cuisine: The special feature of pork is how many dishes it is used in. Dishes using pig feet are called "Ashi Tebichi." "Soki" soup is a soup dish with pork spareribs, Konbu, Daikon (Japanese radish), winter gourd and other vegetables. "Rafute" is thick bacon with the skin on, slowly cooked with Awamori. This was originally a preservation technique. Pig's entrails commonly appear in clear Nakami soup. People think that pork is fatty, but if the fat is boiled off before the dish is prepared, this is eliminated. The skin of the ears and snout chopped and dressed with Miso sauce makes pork rind Sashimi, "Aemono." This is crunchy and gives a refreshing sensation when eaten. Aemono is a must on the table with sake and for celebrations.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Food in China: Variety and Monotony - The Weston A. Price Foundation
In the 1980s, a group of researchers from Cornell University carried out a massive dietary survey, covering all 25 of China's farflung provinces, in an effort to determine food consumption and disease patterns. This study is often cited as proof that plant-based diets are healthier than those based on animal foods like meat and milk. Study director T. Colin Campbell claims that the Cornell findings suggest "that a diet high in animal products produces disease, and a diet high in grains, vegetables and other plant matter produces health."12 But the Cornell survey data, when carefully studied, does not support such claims.13 What the Cornell researchers discovered was that meat intake in China was highest in the western border region and very low in a number of impoverished areas centering on Sian. They found that meat eaters had lower triglycerides and less cirrhosis of the liverand that they took more snuffbut otherwise they found no strong correlation, either negative or positive, with meat eating and any disease. And what do Okinawans eat? The main meat of the diet is pork, and not the lean cuts only. Okinawan cuisine, according to gerontologist Kazuhiko Taira, "is very healthyand very, very greasy," in a 1996 article that appeared in Health Magazine.19 And the whole pig is eateneverything from "tails to nails." Local menus offer boiled pigs feet, entrail soup and shredded ears. Pork is cooked in a mixture of soy sauce, ginger, kelp and small amounts of sugar, then sliced and chopped up for stir fry dishes. Okinawans eat about 100 grams of meat per daycompared to 70 in Japan and just over 20 in Chinaand at least an equal amount of fish, for a total of about 200 grams per day, compared to 280 grams per person per day of meat and fish in America. Lardnot vegetable oilis used in cooking.
Okinawans also eat plenty of fibrous root crops such as taro and sweet potatoes. They consume rice and noodles, but not as the main component of the diet. They eat a variety of vegetables such as carrots, white radish, cabbage and greens, both fresh and pickled. Bland tofu is part of the diet, consumed in traditional ways, but on the whole Okinawan cuisine is spicy. Pork dishes are flavored with a mixture of ginger and brown sugar, with chili oil and with "the wicked bite of bitter melon." Weston Price did not study the peoples of Okinawa, but had he done so, he would have found one more example to support his conclusionsthat whole foods, including sufficient animal foods with their fatare needed for good health and long life, even in the Orient. In fact, the Okinawan example demonstrates the fallacy of today's politically correct messagethat we should emulate the peoples of China by reducing animal products and eating more grains; rather, the Chinese would benefit by adding more strengthening animal foods to their daily fare.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I did a little research and while it seems to be true that nicotine has some theraputic effects for Alzheimers and Parkinson's, actually inhaling toxic smoke into one's lungs does not.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
YES, the Trianna would be lovely for that cold crab pasta sauce. Just right, I should think.
As for the steak, use an ordinary oil for brushing before grilling, but a good one to brush or drizzle on after the meat has rested and right before serving. I must admit I am a big fan of the pungent, grassy oils with meat and the delicate Trianna would not be my first choice, but try it and see if you like it. It's not as though it will taste bad, you know! Regarding pit bulls and if they have any "use" or not, I do have some things to say about it and I think you might get more than just you and me participating if you mentioned genetics. Otherwise, you can e-mail me if you want to know what I think and I'll tell you.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Really? There's that much mercury in the deep ocean?
I knew there were issues with whitefish from the great lakes but I didn't realize it was a problem with ocean fish. Hmmm, then farmed is the way to go?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It wouldn't be the first time.
quote: Well, it's a BIG study with many, many data points.
quote: Certainly. However, the undeniable fact is that the Okanawans are the healthiest, most long-lived people in the world, and they eat around 200 grams of pork and fish combined every day. And they cook with lard.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
OK, salmon is safe, that's a relief.
I eat a lot of it and really love the wild stuff, too.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Any oily fish OK too besides salmon? I like the milder fish but I enjoy stronger-flavored fish more.
That's a shame about the tuna.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Hit me.
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