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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: He was a deserter from the German Army, IIRC.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: The reason many non-Catholics wish the Church to change is because many of it's policies, such as it's policy against the use of effective birth control, threatens everyone's future in many ways.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: There is little doubt that the planet is overpopulated with humans. Human population growth is causing the rapid degradation of the global environment. The Church could go a long way towards helping this problem by endorsing responsible family planning with the use of birth control. If birth control was endorsed and encouraged among the Catholic and other religious charities working in poverty-striken areas, for example hunger and strife could be greatly reduced, because there would be far less competition for resources. If there were more respources to go around, there would likely be less violence and war, especially in the third world.
quote: Perhaps, but people used to think that about the Catholic Church WRT accepting the scientific reality of the Theory of Evolution, too. I also find it interesting that, among industrialized European countries, Italy has among the lowest birth rates, even though it is the home of the Vatican and almost all of it's citizens are Catholic. Indeed, abortion is legal in Italy with restrictions similar to those in the US, and in a brief Google I learned that around 32% of fertile, sexually active Italian women use modern contraception methods, with this number on the rise. It would seem that the reality and practicality of people's (women's and families') lives continues to erode the influence of the unrealistic and out-of-touch edicts of the celibate, all-male led Catholic Church. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 04-22-2005 08:18 AM
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: More like "not agreeing with them that X is a sin at all."
quote: If you lived in an locked house that was meant to house 6 people, but instead it was crammed to the rafters with 60 people that never left for any reason because some of the people's religion said that more people in the house is always better, would you think it was "sinful" to perhaps prevent more people from entering the house?
Human population growth is causing the rapid degradation of the global environment. The Church could go a long way towards helping this problem by quote: Yes, that is ironic, isn't it, that the people who don't bear the children or are responsible for raising them are dictating such edicts to the people who do and are?
quote: Maybe if more people used birth control, there wouldn't be a problem.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, when the Bible says "Be fruitful and multiply", how is it addressing the overpopulation and resulting global environmental degradation, and poverty due to inadequate resources we see are currently facing?
quote: Inasmuch as the Catholic Church has influence over governments, yes, they dictate to Athiests and all non-Catholics. Catholics constitute almost one fifth of the world's population, mike. 200 heads of state attended the late Pope's funeral. I'd say that makes the Catholic Church very, very influential in the world.
quote: The leadership of the Catholic Church are entirely (supposedly) celibate, (supposedly) straight, forbidden to marry, and male. (There is no Biblical requirement for them to be any of these things, BTW) They are dictating behaviors to people regarding issues they are completely divorced from. They cannot relate at all.
quote: Why not, the people who run the Catholic Church certainly do, and they change their minds on what is a sin and what isn't? What makes them better than me?
quote: And the people in the Church are interpreting it in different ways depending upon the times. It used to be a sin to belive the earth orbited the sun, remember.
quote: So, if everybody stopped using birth control, would the environmental degradation get better or worse? Please answer the question below. The "house" is the earth. If you lived in an locked house that was meant to house 6 people, but instead it was crammed to the rafters with 60 people that never left for any reason because some of the people's religion said that more people in the house is always better, would you think it was "sinful" to perhaps prevent more people from entering the house?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Maybe you don't realize, but they belive that nobody should ever use any birth control, including married people. So, the Church would rather have people have so many children that they can't take care of them rather than use birth control to control the number of children they want to have.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: True. And we see how well that works.
quote: Very unrealistic.
quote: I think it should change to reflect reality and to be much more responsible WRT the impact it's policies and edicts have upon the environment and the Earth's people.
quote: It would go a long way towards increasing my respect for it, yes. It's not my only issue with the Church, though, no.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It's wrong because it is recited in public schools that are funded and run by our government. Last I checked, our government wasn't supposed to be endorsing or promoting or indoctrinating anyone in any religious idea, including monotheism.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It's wrong (and illegal) because it is recited in public schools that are funded and run by our government. Last I checked, our government wasn't supposed to be endorsing or promoting or indoctrinating anyone in any religious idea, including monotheism. Let's say we changed the pledge to say, "One nation, under no God because god doesn't exist, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Would you think that was OK? I mean, it's not like you or your children would be literally forced to say it. You don't have to agree with it, but every publically-funded school in America would recite it every morning. What would be the big deal? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 04-23-2005 07:56 PM
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, it would be perfectly OK with you that, as a Catholic, your government was actively promoting Atheism to all of the nation's children? With your tax money? I find it rather unlikely that you would just ignore it. What would the Pope think about a governement that did this? He would likely criticize it, right, and call upon the citizens of the US to put pressure on Lawmakers to change it?
quote: Well, then you are not that into demanding your constitutional rights in public, and no one is saying that everybody has to be. However, the question wasn't "would you be a poster boy".
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Paisano, do you agree or disagree with the following:
It's (the POA) wrong (and illegal) because it is recited in public schools that are funded and run by our government. Last I checked, our government wasn't supposed to be endorsing or promoting or indoctrinating anyone in any religious idea, including monotheism.
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