Darwinism, education, materialism's fatal flaw

Have you heard of cognitive behavioral therapy? That's exactly what they're doing.

Did you not get the memo? That story was a hoax. Flew has never recanted his deism.

Did you miss this part of the interview?

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HABERMAS: Once you mentioned to me that your view might be called Deism. Do you think that would be a fair designation?

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FLEW: Yes, absolutely right.

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He's never identified as an atheist, to my knowledge, despite rumors to the contrary. I don't think anybody's lying to anybody here, except for whoever told you he was an atheist.

Oh, wait. No, you're right. Sort of. He used to be an atheist. I read the Wiki article wrong.He has moved from atheism to deism. But it would not be accurate to describe his position as "theism", nor does he believe that the Christian or Muslim gods exist. Neither does he believe in the possibility of revelation from God. So the title of the article is wrong at best, and purposefully misleading at worst. Flew is not, nor has he ever been, a theist.

When a man is asked "are you a deist?" and he replies "yes, that's exactly what I am", I consider that definitive on the subject of whether he's a deist or not. Apparently you disagree with that criteria, so I do not think you and I can continue to discuss this.

So, fine, live that way. If morally is baseless than it doesn't matter what others choose to do; so I trust you won't mind if I live in a moral way, even though my morality is baseless.Moreover if you choose to harm me and mine, or take from me, then I trust you won't mind when I choose to oppose you by any means necessary, including developing systems of government with big burly armed men to enforce the baseless laws we all agree with. I mean, you do get to choose, and I do too.

If your point is that societies develop the morals they need to develop, then I'm happy to make your point for you.The fact that morals are baseless means we need to act more moral, not less. We have an even greater responsibility to our fellow man because there's no deity ensuring universal justice. There's just us.

Who says that you have to? But if you do, it's more imperative now than ever to actually do something about it, because none of us are going to be here for very long.I mean, feel responsibility, or don't. Why would I care what you feel? The only thing that matters is what you do.

If Canada had invaded us in the 90's to "liberate" us from a Clinton presidency, would you have let them, or would you have taken up arms to repel them?If you agreed with the goal of their mission, which would have been to liberate us from policies that you disagreed with, might you not have resisted their invasion anyway, knowing that your family would be likely to be hurt or killed if they succeeded in their aims?Or are Iraqis supposed to be so happy to be free of Saddam that they should just let themselves be killed, accidentally I'm sure, by American bombs and bullets?

Apparently not, since we've been doing it that way for literally thousands of years, and it doesn't seem to work. And after all, why would it? Under this system its all too easy to "interpret" God's laws so that your plan to marry 7 chocolate-covered virgins (or whatever) gets the divine greenlight.