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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
Today was my first day in college and 5 minutes into my history class i knew i was in trouble! What a suprise(not)...Evolution is the main discussion for the next couple of weeks! I have studied and studied and I know evolution is wrong and science can't prove it! I just don't remember any good arguments and what not. I need HELP...any good tips on surviving a secular history class being a strong Christian? What am i supposed to do when a test comes and asks for a fact answer when really it's only a nonplausible theory i can give them??? THANX!

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Yes, you neen help. Go back to high school and learn science.

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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
Ummm...Not exactly. I don't want to sound arrogant but I just turned 16 and I have been homeschooled up until this point and have never had experience in a classroom...I was just wondering about some tips to get through...I am sure My faith is a lot stronger than you think!

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That explains why you aren't prepared for the real world and why you know nothing about science. You probably were only taught pseudo-science.

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Originally posted by Quetzal:

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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
Today was my first day in college and 5 minutes into my history class i knew i was in trouble! What a suprise(not)...Evolution is the main discussion for the next couple of weeks! I have studied and studied and I know evolution is wrong and science can't prove it! I just don't remember any good arguments and what not. I need HELP...any good tips on surviving a secular history class being a strong Christian? What am i supposed to do when a test comes and asks for a fact answer when really it's only a nonplausible theory i can give them??? THANX!

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I'm curious. How is it that you are studying evolution in a college-level history class? Usually that subject is relegated to intro biology courses. Even then, it's usually relegated to a footnote in non-science major biology courses, which try and cover things like the Krebs cycle and introductory stuff about biomes, etc. Is it a history of science course?

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I was taught about evolution in history class, well at least in grade 10.

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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
excuse me what scientific evidence were you talking about???? The fact that there are NO transitional links and intermediate forms in either the fossil record or modern world, therefore, no evidence that evolution has occured in the past or present??? Or wait maybe you were talking about the evidence that Natural selection is incapable of advancing an organism to a "higher-order". OR wiat i think it's this little tidbit of info....although evolutionist state that life resulted from non-life, matter resulted from nothing, and humans resulted from animals, each of these is an impossibility of SCIENCE and the natural world. I was mistaken...it's this evidence 9 of the 12 popularly supposed hominids are actually extinct apes/monkeys and not part human at all...the other three are FULLY human. Oops...my bad...need i go on>

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I was correct, you didn't learn anything. You were lied to.Go here and see why you are wrong on so many levels.The Talk.Origins Archive Index

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Originally posted by wj:
Is this typical of the American education system?

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Sadly, yes.

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Originally posted by Quetzal:
Really? Cool. I didn't see my first lecture on evolution until my junior year or so (Principles of Ecology, or it might have been Principles of Environmental Science - anyway, something like that). I admit, however, that I attended college with H. erectus so things have probably changed.

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Remember, I'm from Canada, we're a bit more progressive in education. Eh?

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"TC, does this mean you've put YECism behind you, and made the transititon to theistic evolutionist?"
--No, this is not the case. I simply acknowledge that the way by which a person may interpret the exact latency or meaning of a segment of scripture may remain flexible toward ones semantic approbation thereof.

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Another note which may have some significance in the light of this realization is that YEC's need to quit being anti-evolutionists and start being YEC's.

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Well, they have no real choice since they can't very well defend what they believe in any credible manner so they have to tear down Evoltution instead.

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"Well, they have no real choice since they can't very well defend what they believe in any credible manner so they have to tear down Evoltution instead."
--You should be more specific, your use of the word 'they' is much too general for its veracity to have much of a weight on the scale.

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As a rule Creationists don't really have anything to back up what they believe so they resort to trying, and failing, to refute the science in Evolution.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-26-2002]

Originally posted by TrueCreation:---Excuse me? 'As a rule'.. I'm sorry nos, I feel you have developed in me an increasingly excessive lack of hope for any credible future for intelligible discussion with me. I disdain your prejudice and must unfortunately manifest that I do not look forward to your input from its absence of worthful Acquisition.There was no worry about that, you offer nothing but fantasy and delusion to begin with. In other words you get the level you give.--If you feel you can carry on a discussion of more average intellect raised a bit further than a middle schooled ignoramus, I have no problem with tarrying.I wouldn't say that you were middle school, you're more like a high school one. You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-26-2002]

Originally posted by TrueCreation:--I have read a decent multitude of your posts and again I am sorry, you haven't much at all of a clue as to my beliefs, my research or at all of what I would be to regurgitate all over your evading lap. I sustain, you are prejudiced and your continued nonsensical misaccusations do not in the least increase the merit of your unproductive arguments to fly any higher.Research? Bible: God did it. Done.--Despite the fact that I am a high school student, it must be quite an odd observation when you have yielded your nescient attitude and predilection.Owww, you have access to a dictionary. Prove to me that the so-called "supernatural" actually exists.

Originally posted by TrueCreation:--If I did, it wouldn't be called supernatural anymore now would it?
--Besides, I know what your getting at, your direction of argument is misleading. Your use of 'proof' is not what your looking for, and if it is, it is not scientific. Science doesn't have 'proof' as an inclusion to its methodology.

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In other words, you can't prove a negative.

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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
I am still here. I see it pointless to even write this note. All of you are selfish and can't even help somebody out despite their beliefs. All I simply wanted to know is how to get through a class that was teaching something you didn't believe in. I got a total of 2 responses to the actual question.(basically, the rest were about my writing skills and the fact that I am stupid and should go back to high school) If you could get past yourselfs for 2 seconds it would be helpful. Take into consideration other people for once. What if you were in a history class with a YEC how would you get through it? I guess that's the difference between Christians and Evolutionists...we understand that their are other people in the world than ourselves.

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Bull. We only have to respect the right to express one's opinion or belief, not the opinion or belief itself.Maybe you should listen to the teacher, you may learn why you are wrong. If the school was teaching YEC it wouldn't be much of a school.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-28-2002]

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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
I am not even asking you to respect my belief. I am asking you for help DESPITE my belif. Are you that dense?

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Why would we want to help you spread the lie which is creationism? It doesn't belong in schools which actually wants to teach something constructive.BTW, if the country were a theocracy we wouldn't be able to have differing opinions and beliefs since it would be forbidden. So don't tell me that Christians are more open minded. Given half a chance Christians would impose their beliefs on all through the force of law.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-28-2002]

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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
Your right...I'm sorry that would be asking to much from you. (calling us dogmatic HA) I know I would help an Ev, if they asked for help in the same area. EVERYBODY ( you say this too but when push comes down to shove everybody is only yourselves) has a right to their own belief. Now once again I am asking you to get past yourself. (Impossible) Nevermind.

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Would you like it if they started to have sex ed. during Sunday mass?Creationism doesn't belong in a public school in with science. It is not an alternative to evolution since it can't meet the same standards. Dogma is irrelevant. You are asking us to include the pseudo-science of creationism over the valid science of Evolution. Next thing you know you'll be asking us to support you with Flat Earth in your geology class.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-28-2002]

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"In other words, you can't prove a negative."
--No sorry, I did enough expanding on my logic when I stated that 'Science doesn't have 'proof' as an inclusion to its methodology', which rendered your assertion misleading & futile. If you need me to explain it to you further, go ahead. Or maybe you should just inquire my incite in another thread so we can swell down a bit on driving off xstremefaith's topic.

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Like some others on here you think that all you need for "evidence" is to play some logic or word game and stop at that. Well, this is only a small step in a long process. If you imderstood how science worked you would see this.