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Topic: HELP!
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xstremefaith
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Message 1 of 90 (18079)
09-23-2002 11:19 PM
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Today was my first day in college and 5 minutes into my history class i knew i was in trouble! What a suprise(not)...Evolution is the main discussion for the next couple of weeks! I have studied and studied and I know evolution is wrong and science can't prove it! I just don't remember any good arguments and what not. I need HELP...any good tips on surviving a secular history class being a strong Christian? What am i supposed to do when a test comes and asks for a fact answer when really it's only a nonplausible theory i can give them??? THANX!
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gene90
Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: 12-25-2000
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Your faith must be terribly fragile.
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xstremefaith
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Message 3 of 90 (18081)
09-23-2002 11:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 2 by gene90
09-23-2002 11:22 PM
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Why do you say that?
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gene90
Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: 12-25-2000
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Because you think you can't survive a history class. You think the exposure to real science will destroy your faith.
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peter borger
Member (Idle past 7688 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: 07-05-2002
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dear Extremist, Tell them that evolution as we observe it is probably a guided process. Tell them that evolution as we see it may be not so directionless as claimed by neodarwinists, and tell them that it can be backed up by scientific publications. Any questions? Refer to my postings. Peter
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xstremefaith
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Message 6 of 90 (18084)
09-23-2002 11:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by gene90
09-23-2002 11:29 PM
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Ummm...Not exactly. I don't want to sound arrogant but I just turned 16 and I have been homeschooled up until this point and have never had experience in a classroom...I was just wondering about some tips to get through...I am sure My faith is a lot stronger than you think!
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xstremefaith
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excuse me what scientific evidence were you talking about???? The fact that there are NO transitional links and intermediate forms in either the fossil record or modern world, therefore, no evidence that evolution has occured in the past or present??? Or wait maybe you were talking about the evidence that Natural selection is incapable of advancing an organism to a "higher-order". OR wiat i think it's this little tidbit of info....although evolutionist state that life resulted from non-life, matter resulted from nothing, and humans resulted from animals, each of these is an impossibility of SCIENCE and the natural world. I was mistaken...it's this evidence 9 of the 12 popularly supposed hominids are actually extinct apes/monkeys and not part human at all...the other three are FULLY human. Oops...my bad...need i go on>
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wehappyfew
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I was just wondering about some tips to get through...
There are 2 methods used by professional Creationists that you might find useful: Tip 1. Cognitive Dissonance - Simultaneously believing/knowing/accepting mutually contradictory ideas. You might try reading some of Andrew Snelling's, Walt Baumgartner's, and Jan Peczkis' (aka John Woodmorappe) work. They commonly use one set of facts and ideas in their mainstream publications that must past rigorous peer-review, and an entirely different set when writing for their Creationist audience. Woodmorappe even cites himself (Peczkis)!!! ... Revolution Against Evolution – A Revolution of the Love of God You can use this in class... you just need to learn the facts and ideas presented to you in your curriculum, then regurgitate it on demand. Your own personal beliefs must be compartmentalized away while you spew out the required material. Unfortunately, this practice gives the appearance of being somewhat hypocritical. Tip 2. Follow the teachings of Creationist Kurt Wise. Do a web-search and find everything you can written by this man. He is the most honest, forthright Creationist on the planet. Practice what he preaches. Good luck, and keep us updated on how you are faring. Making the leap from home-schooling to classroom, especially straight to college, can be quite traumatic, for a number of reasons. I know you can find sympathetic and helpful people here you can lean on for advice or for just letting off steam.
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peter borger
Member (Idle past 7688 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: 07-05-2002
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dear E, Not so hasty. You say: "excuse me what scientific evidence were you talking about???? Evidence AGAINST evolution as a random process. The phenomena we observe (including your observations below) are usually explained by evolutionists as the result of millions of years of blind chance. However, about two month ago I posted scientific evidence against this random mechanism (and several other things that violate the hypothesis of evolution). What is explained as evolution may as well be a guided process. All things to carry out variation (and often mistaken for evolution) could be present in the genome and may be put there by a creator. The fact that there are NO transitional links and intermediate forms in either the fossil record or modern world, therefore, no evidence that evolution has occured in the past or present??? "Exactly my point." Or wait maybe you were talking about the evidence that Natural selection is incapable of advancing an organism to a "higher-order". OR wiat i think it's this little tidbit of info....although evolutionist state that life resulted from non-life, matter resulted from nothing, and humans resulted from animals, each of these is an impossibility of SCIENCE and the natural world. I was mistaken...it's this evidence 9 of the 12 popularly supposed hominids are actually extinct apes/monkeys and not part human at all...the other three are FULLY human. Oops...my bad...need i go on>" "Yes, evolution from microbe to man by blind chance is a fairytale." Best wishes Peter
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Mister Pamboli
Member (Idle past 7599 days) Posts: 634 From: Washington, USA Joined: 12-10-2001
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Originally posted by peter borger:
"Yes, evolution from microbe to man by blind chance is a fairytale."
Says you. The creation account is a folktale, says Saint Anselm. I wonder which one I will trust?
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Quetzal
Member (Idle past 5894 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 01-09-2002
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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
Today was my first day in college and 5 minutes into my history class i knew i was in trouble! What a suprise(not)...Evolution is the main discussion for the next couple of weeks! I have studied and studied and I know evolution is wrong and science can't prove it! I just don't remember any good arguments and what not. I need HELP...any good tips on surviving a secular history class being a strong Christian? What am i supposed to do when a test comes and asks for a fact answer when really it's only a nonplausible theory i can give them??? THANX!
I'm curious. How is it that you are studying evolution in a college-level history class? Usually that subject is relegated to intro biology courses. Even then, it's usually relegated to a footnote in non-science major biology courses, which try and cover things like the Krebs cycle and introductory stuff about biomes, etc. Is it a history of science course?
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peter borger
Member (Idle past 7688 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: 07-05-2002
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dear Mr Pamboli, Now we are back at the level of 'argumentum ad verecundiam'. Study all opinions and choose. Making a choise, that's what it is all about. Best wishes, Peter
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Joe Meert
Member (Idle past 5702 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: 03-02-2002
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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
Today was my first day in college and 5 minutes into my history class i knew i was in trouble! What a suprise(not)...Evolution is the main discussion for the next couple of weeks! I have studied and studied and I know evolution is wrong and science can't prove it! I just don't remember any good arguments and what not. I need HELP...any good tips on surviving a secular history class being a strong Christian? What am i supposed to do when a test comes and asks for a fact answer when really it's only a nonplausible theory i can give them??? THANX!
JM: Let me see all the spam in this message. A history course spending 2 weeks on evolution. Unless this is a history of science course, I don't buy it. You've studied and studied it and know it's wrong, but you can't remember any arguments? Later on you post a few cribbed creationist claims without proper referencing? My suggestion is forget about your worries about evolution and start working on your writing skills. I always allow my students to get credit if they can posit a sound argument in favor of their position. Ask your prof if this is possible. Cheers Joe Meert
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nos482
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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
Today was my first day in college and 5 minutes into my history class i knew i was in trouble! What a suprise(not)...Evolution is the main discussion for the next couple of weeks! I have studied and studied and I know evolution is wrong and science can't prove it! I just don't remember any good arguments and what not. I need HELP...any good tips on surviving a secular history class being a strong Christian? What am i supposed to do when a test comes and asks for a fact answer when really it's only a nonplausible theory i can give them??? THANX!
Yes, you neen help. Go back to high school and learn science.
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nos482
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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
Ummm...Not exactly. I don't want to sound arrogant but I just turned 16 and I have been homeschooled up until this point and have never had experience in a classroom...I was just wondering about some tips to get through...I am sure My faith is a lot stronger than you think!
That explains why you aren't prepared for the real world and why you know nothing about science. You probably were only taught pseudo-science.
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