Is Jesus of 'Cursed Lineage'

Jesus was the Son of Heli is correct because he was made from Mary's genetic information. Joesph was the son in law of Heli by marriage. The only way God could make Jesus body under the law was the virgin birth, eve was made by adams rib, Jesus was made of the seed of the woman (kjv genesis 3:15)& (kjv Galatians 4:4).In galatians 4:4 it says Jesus was made of a woman and made under the law. Jesus genetic information would pass a DNA test as to the being the son of Heli, as Luke geneologies clearly infer. Since Jesus was born into Joseph's family, he was a legal heir to the throne of David. Through Joseph, Jesus obtained a rightful claim to the throne of David, through Mary virgin birth was exempt from the Curse of Jehoiakim. An unusual curse in Jeremiah 36:1-32 gives new insight into the virgin birth of Jesus. Jehoiakim was a king of Israel. He angered God by burning a scroll that Jeremiah the prophet wrote. God cursed Jehoiakim by indicating that none of his children would sit on the throne of David (Jeremiah 36:29-31). And although Jehoiakim had children, scripture shows that none of them ever reigned as King David had. Joseph, the father of Jesus, was one of Jehoiakim's descendants (through Jeconiah). Joseph's offspring could not claim David's throne because of the curse. Jesus laid claim to the throne of David (Luke 1:32, Acts 2:30, Hebrews 12:2). If Jesus had been born of Joseph, the curse would have been contradicted. God created a solution through the miracle of the virgin birth. Although Joseph was one of Jehoiakim's offspring (through Solomon), Mary was not. She was a descendant of Nathan, one of David's other sons (Luke 3:31). God's promise to David was fulfilled because Mary was the biological parent of Jesus.
The virgin birth also addressed the curse God had pronounced upon Jehoiakim. Kingship was an inherited right. By Joseph, Jesus inherited a legal claim to the throne of David. However, he was exempt from the curse of Jehoiakim because Joseph was not his genetic father.Runtime Error

sidelined,There was no sex involved, he was simply made from the seed of Mary(cloned), this makes Mary's biological dad the biological dad of Jesus(he was the son of Heli). This virgin birth allowed Jesus to be exempt from the curse, and fullfill made of a woman and made under the law.

Brian,By Joseph, Jesus inherited a legal claim to the throne of David as his son. However, he was exempt from the curse of Jehoiakim because Joseph was not his genetic father.Runtime Error

Brian, Jesus was not formed from a jewish father and a heathen mother union. Nice try though kjv Deu 23:2 A bastard4464 shall not3808 enter935 into the congregation6951 of the LORD;3068 even1571 to his tenth6224 generation1755 shall he not3808 enter935 into the congregation6951 of the LORD.3068
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From an unused root mian. to alienate; a mongrel, that is, born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother: - bastard.

Brian, That link I provided says Jesus genetically the son of David through his other son Nathan. It appears the virgin birth satisfies 2 Samuel 7:12-17, that Nathan was of the seed of David.I don't see how Jesus could be a bastard genetically, if he was made from Mary. Marys genes were pure thru Nathan to King David.2 Samuel 7:12 It only seemed to refer to David's seed, so don't see how this discludes Nathan , Davids other son, is also of Davids seed.2 Samuel 7:17 It is quite interesting that Nathan, was given this message from the Lord.

sidelined, Jesus being born to Joesph's family was the legal son of Joesph, thus a legal heir to the throne. Because his genetics go thru Nathan he satisfies being of the seed of David.Also, God had promised David that one of his physical descendants would reign on the throne of his kingdom forever (2 Samuel 7:12-13). As explained above, Joseph was excluded from being the genetic father of the future king of Israel.It was impossible to fulfill the requirements of both curse and promise by natural means. One man had to be both heir to and offspring of David, without being the genetic descendant of Jehoiakim. This problem required a divine solutionRuntime Error

Brian,1 kings 11:11 Wherefore the Lord said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.1 kings 11:12 Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.1 kings 11:39 And I will for this afflict the seed of David, but not for ever.God cursed Jehoiakim by indicating that none of his children would sit on the throne of David (Jeremiah 36:29-31).

Jesus is God the Son, he was before the world was, all things were made through him, the wisemen saw his star leading them and stop at where the Lord Jesus laid (he is both the son of man and the Son of God)kjv rev 22:16, they worshipped the Lord Jesus, because he was Emmanuel, God within the body made of a woman and made according to the law. kjv galatians 4:4You too can become the sons of God, thru belief in Jesus, when you become a new creature, however your DNA doesn't change, like your suggesting that when the spirit of the Word (the Son of God) became flesh. It says in essense that when you become born again its not of the will of the flesh, not of blood, nor the will of man, but of God.I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and teh bright and morning star. kjv Revelation 22:16Behold, a Virgin shall be with child, and shall, bring froth a Son, and they sanll call his name EEmmanuel, which interpreted is God with us. kjv Matthew 1:23For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. kjv john 3:17In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. john 1:1-2The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father.)full of grace and truth. kjv John 1:14But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. kjv John 1:14 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. kjv john 1:13And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. kjv John 17:5And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. kjv John 17:11

I thought that quite interesting that if the mother is jewish and the father is a gentile the child would not be considered a bastard. Though Joesph was Jewish too, so you have nipped the bastard thought in the bud. Thank You!Runtime ErrorWho was Joseph's Father?
At first glance, Matthew and Luke appear to be in disagreement as to who Joseph's father was. Matthew states he was the son of Jacob, while Luke states he was the son of Heli. Fortunately, an unlikely source has aided scholars in unraveling this mystery. Moreover, designating a son-in-law as a son had scriptural precedent. Refer to Son in Jewish Genealogies for more on this topic.
Thus, Joseph was the son of Jacob, and the son-in-law of Heli.This message has been edited by Tom, 01-03-2005 11:03 AM

Brian, I came to the conclusion that Mary was the daughter of Heli by reading the geneologies of Jesus in Luke. Joesph is the son of Heli by his marriage to Mary (son in law), and thus no matter how you read the Luke geneologies it makes sense only when one considers Mary the daughter of Heli.I find it interesting that you seem to be saying the Jesus is not God the Son. You seem to be disagreeing with galatians 4:4 that Jesus was made of a woman, you seem to be saying he was sired by God, when the bible says he was made of a woman. When I read the bible it says that the Father sent his only begotten Son into the world to save the world john 3:17, this infers sonship belonged before he even took on flesh. Do you believe Jesus is God the Son that he came from the bosom of the Father, that he was before the world was? Are you a Jehovah Witness?The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (kjv John 1:14)No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (kjv John 1:18)In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (kjv John 1:1-3)

ramoss, If Solomon would of kept the Lords commandment (not to have other gods) (1 kings 11:10) then Jesus geneologies would of went thru Solomon.1Ki 11:39 And I will for this afflict the seed of David, but not for ever.The virgin birth of Mary's son and her marriage to Joesph solved the problem of being a legal heir thru Solomon and still being of the seed of David.

Given Jesus is also called the Son of God, and Christians too are adoptive joint heirs with Christ. I'm not a pastor but hope this explains the Sonship of and thru Jesus Christ.It seemed appropriate that because Jesus Christ is also God the Son. When someone becomes born of God we recieve the spirit of adoption whereby we cry, Abba Father. The Father is seeking such to worship him in Spirit and in Truth.The bible by saying the Father sent his Son into the world to save the world kjv John 3:17, this infers he was the God the Son even before he became flesh. Jesus is the son of man through his genes, but the God the Son in that his Spirit is in the bosom of his Father. kjv Rev 22:16 says that he is the root and offspring of David and the Bright and morning star. This explains Jesus Christ is both the son of man and the Son of God. kjv John 1:12 that as many as recieve him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Jesus Christ however is the only begotten son because he is God the Son and was in the bosom of the Father even before the World was. He was sent by the Father to us, so we too could become sons of God. When someone becomes born of God we recieve the spirit of adoption whereby we cry, Abba Father.The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (kjv John 1:14)No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (kjv John 1:18)In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (kjv John 1:1-3)kjv Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.kjv Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.kjv Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:kjv Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.kjv 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.kjv Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

sidelined, I wasn't aware that the bible contained the entire geneology of all the sons born over how many hundred years since David reigned. They were sons of different people (popular name)different fathers.When Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD the records your referring too were likely destroyed, my take. Correct me if I'm wrong and all the geneological records are contained within the bible, if not then you have your answer.This message has been edited by Tom, 01-04-2005 00:42 AM

Sidelined,Matthew is Joesph's geneology, and Luke is Mary's geneology with Joesph being mentioned again because he was the son in law of Heli. I posted all this in detail in several previous posts in this thread.Please re edit your previous posts so its easy to read the thread.Thank-you,
Tom

Given Jesus is also called the Son of God, and Christians too are adoptive joint heirs with Christ. I'm not a pastor but hope this explains the Sonship of and thru Jesus Christ.
It seemed appropriate that because Jesus Christ is also God the Son. When someone becomes born of God we recieve the spirit of adoption whereby we cry, Abba Father. The Father is seeking such to worship him in Spirit and in Truth.The bible by saying the Father sent his Son into the world to save the world kjv John 3:17, this infers he was the God the Son even before he became flesh. Jesus is the son of man through his genes, but the God the Son in that his Spirit is in the bosom of his Father. kjv Rev 22:16 says that he is the root and offspring of David and the Bright and morning star. This explains Jesus Christ is both the son of man and the Son of God. kjv John 1:12 that as many as recieve him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Jesus Christ however is the only begotten son because he is God the Son and was in the bosom of the Father even before the World was. He was sent by the Father to us, so we too could become sons of God. When someone becomes born of God we recieve the spirit of adoption whereby we cry, Abba Father.The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (kjv John 1:14)No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (kjv John 1:18)In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (kjv John 1:1-3)kjv Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.kjv Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.kjv Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:kjv Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.kjv 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.kjv Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.This message has been edited by Tom, 01-04-2005 11:19 AM