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meforevidence
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Message 167 of 206 (331174)
07-12-2006 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by shadrach
10-31-2003 8:06 AM


Cursed Lineage
Response: The oldest text (The Septuagint) does not say “childless” but reads “outcast.” This is not a contradiction. He can be called an outcast and still have children that continue the lineage but not sit upon the throne of David as a royal “prince”.
(LXX version) Jeremiah 22: 29 Land, land, hear the word of the Lord. 30 Write ye this man an outcast: for there shall none of his seed at all grow up to sit on the throne of David, or as a prince yet in Juda.

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meforevidence
Junior Member (Idle past 6245 days)
Posts: 7
From: TX
Joined: 07-12-2006


Message 168 of 206 (331175)
07-12-2006 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by meforevidence
07-12-2006 2:21 PM


Re: Was Joseph the father of Jesus?
Response: Luke 3:23 (not 2:23) does not actually say that Jesus"was the son" of Joseph. It reads that he was "supposed as being" or "was allowed" to be as a son of Joseph. See below:
Vaticinus: "And he was the Jesus about years thirty, beginning, being , as was allowed, a son of Joseph, of the Heli"
Sinai Text: "And Jesus himself was, when he began his ministry, about thirty years old, being as was supposed, the son of Joseph, son of Heli"
Aramaic Peshitta (English Translation) "NOW Jeshu himself was as a son of thirty years, and was considered the son of Jauseph bar Heli"
Secondly, Matthew 1 does not really state Joseph begat Jesus or was the father of Jesus, but that Joseph was the "husband of Mary" of whom Jesus was born. It reads: (Peshitta Old English Etheridge v.) And after the exile of Bobel Jukania begat Shalathiel, Shalathiel begat Zurbobel, Zurbobel begat Abiud, Abiud begat Aliakim, Aliakim begat Ozur, Ozur begat Zoduk, Zoduk begat Akin, Akin begat Aliud, Aliud begat Aliozar, Aliozar begat Mathan, Mathan begat Jakub, Jakub begat Jauseph (Joseph) , husband of Mariam (Mary) , of whom was born JESHU who is called the Meshicha.
The lineages are of two different parents. More than likely, Mary was the sister of Zecharia the priest (John the baptist's father). The lineage which lists Mary in Matthew 1 speaks of a decending from Abijah (King Solomon's grandson). In Luke chapter 1, Zecharia was also of the house of Abijah / Abia (Luke 1:5).
Jesus had two so called parents, so naturally there would be two different lineages listed. Notice that Zachariah (the uncle of Jesus) was also of the lineage of Abijah, so it seems that Zachariah was the brother of Mary the mother of Jesus. One lineage stands for humanity from Adam and Eve and fulfills one prophecy while the other one stands for the Royal descent from King David and fulfills yet another prophecy.
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