Hauntings, Exorcisms and the Like

I find this highly suspect. The supernatural is more powerful than the natural. In every culture which deals with the supernatural there is a fearful respect for the supernatural. It's that way in the Bible. It's that way as observed in the pagan jungle cultures as well as other religions.Could it be possible that where it appears to be otherwise, the demon is playing the double agent role or something? For example, in I Timothy 4, the Catholic doctrine of celibacy seems to be clearly implicated as a demonic doctrine, yet the demon is cast out by the celibate priest who is teaching and practicing the demonic doctrine, as well as some other non-scriptural doctrines. It would seem that either the priest involked the name of Jesus and that did it or maybe Satan empowered the priest to do this so as to render credence to the church which promotes the demonic doctrines.

theologically bankrupt.christ gave us all the power to do anything, in his name. this includes commanding demons away, just as he did. and as i said, demons, angels, and spirits must follow the invocation of their name. they have no choice in the matter; their name defines their function. you control the name, you control the function.it's fairly evident that even moses held this belief. why do you think he asked the name of god? god didn't tell him a name so much made fun of moses.you're also operating under a false premise: that there is a separation of good and evil in the heavens. who in heaven can defy the will of the lord?

Pretty much.What really gets me is where people like Buz draw the line: "All-powerful superman in the sky? Sounds reasonable. Wedding guest transmutes water to wine? Gotcha. We're eating bread and wine, but somehow it's also flesh and blood, even though it hasn't changed in any way? I believe it!"Angels and demons that can't be seen or felt but can affect our minds? You know that's true. The Bermuda triangle? Incontrovertable! Aliens and UFO's? The truth is out there!"The idea that natural processes could be responsible for the development of life on earth, which is supported by all the scientific data to date? Woah, buddy - isn't that a little far-fetched?"It's hilarious to me.

personally, i don't believe half this stuff. i just like beating people with their own theologies.and yes, that is pretty damned funny.This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 11-24-2004 04:18 PM

i'll sign my hubby up for your challenge, Arach.As for the initial topic in this stream, my husband pretty much grew up with a tie to the spiritual world. He played with spirit kids when an young child, had familiar spirits when a teen & witnessed the possession of one of his closest friends in college. He performed the exorcism for that friend. When we met in school (i was a firm atheist at the time) he taught me to see, manipulate & control spirits. After 21 years of being a apart of hauntings, exorcisms and the like, it became aparent to him that the authority of Christ overruled all. We are now christians.I'll make him aware of your potential future debates. I'm sure he'll enjoy them

Interesting posts. Yes I did experience all of the above as a non-christian. I still maintain friendships with friends that are non-christian that are still deep in that world. It is all as real as can be, even though much of what you see in the press is often sensationalized. There is validity in the roots though.Feel free to check out my long and involved story at http://daretobelieve.no-ip.com if you would like.

Hi Dynamo. Welcome! I appreciate your sharing your story. I read the first two or three pages word for word and skimmed the rest as it's about bed time. I intend to read the rest thoroughly. From what I read, I tend to believe you are being truthful and sincere. I read a book written by a Baptist preacher who as a kid was brought up in a spiritualist home where his mother was into all kinds of occult stuff which she involved him with. He got saved and out of it to preach the gospel of Christ. When I read your statement to the effect that when one turns tail and runs form evil entities, they attack. Not long after my experience which I shared in this thread I met a Penticostle missionary who shared with me a dream encounter he had with evil spirits. I won't go into the whole thing, except to say that he turned his back on the demons to flee into his house and they overpowered him before he woke up. I believe he should have stood his ground and rebuked them in the name of Jesus, but I don't think he had been soundly indoctrinated to that in his church. I look forward to see what other things you may have to say here in "town." May God bless you and keep you strong and in Biblical truth.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

Thanks for replying. Enjoy reading. You will find there are a lot of new-age, biblical, and spritual truths in it. Gravity is gravity; it is there if you believe in it or not.

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"Angels and demons that can't be seen or felt but can affect our minds? You know that's true. The Bermuda triangle? Incontrovertable! Aliens and UFO's? The truth is out there!

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"The idea that natural processes could be responsible for the development of life on earth, which is supported by all the scientific data to date? Woah, buddy - isn't that a little far-fetched?"

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Bwah hah hah! Thank you for making me laugh good this Thanksgiving morning.

Buz,If he was relating this to you he must have awakened. What you and he had are called "bad dreams", "nightmares". If a young child wakes up frightened because he was being chased by a wolf in his dreams I don't tell him that dream wolves are very dangerous! It turns out these demons you believe in are only bad dreams, fantasies, imagination. You wake up and they evaporate. Yes, nightmares are frightening. I didn't enjoy mine, but they aren't real! sheeeesshlfen

The subconcious is not imune to Satanic attack. I don't wake up crying, ever, normally, regardless of the dream. I do not normally remember minute details of a dream as if I lived the dream experience. You would not understand this kind of a dream until you experienced one, nor can I adequately explain the uniqueness of it to you.

Well, I've had some unique dreams to but dreams are personal subjective so maybe we can't communicate them. I go years perhaps decades without a nightmare. But the one I remember was terrifying but once awake I was fine.lfen

IfenI remember many of these lucid dreams.I have been hit by trains, fallen over cliffs, been chased by wild animals and even at one point learned to control the outcome of the dream.I was able to go outside my body and travel around my neighbourhood and pretend that I was seeing events that were outside my room at the time I was sleeping.I rarely have dreams that I remember anymore.I find that a shame since they were a lot of fun.

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"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
--Don Hirschberg

I went through a Demonic Possession several times. The first time was in California in 1969. I was living in San Buena Ventura in a house in the Ventura Keys. It was a clear December morning, the Santana winds were sweeping down from the high desert and the ice plant covered the slopes of the yards in a succulent green glow with dainty pink flowers.We had planned for a special meal and so my wife and I got into the car and headed off to the restaurant. As we backed out of the driveway we felt the first unsettling auras. The feeling continued throughout the drive, a clear almost electric feeling in the air. As we pulled into the restaurant we first heard the voices. My wife and I immediately glanced out the left front window and there, bigger than life, was the apparition. The voice was otherworldly, as though it came from far, far away. The apparition was like a great white Ball, a caricature of a human face, blue eyes, leering red slice of a mouth and a black square where a nose might go.Before it even spoke again we knew what it would say. It would offer to fill our every wish, the price would be modest, something we could afford. It always starts like that, the Demon offers much and it is only later you find the real costs. And, as expected, so it happened.What do you want, asked the apparition?I knew that unless we responded with the Name, it would fulfill our requests and we would be committed.So I called out the one name I knew it could not stand. I’ll have an Orange Julius, I said.At the sound of the Name, Orange Julius the voice stuttered, was stricken and near speechless.All we heard was a small voice saying, But this is Jack in the Box.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I have experienced dreams that were simply the culmination of subconscious thoughts processing a day’s work and I have experienced dreams so demonic that I felt I was in a battle of life and death. I believe some dreams are circumstantial while others can carry deep spiritual roots.