Get me his name and unit and I'll be glad to find out for you if he's telling the truth or just blowing smoke. Scientists may well say so. Other scientists may believe in GOD. Science has no say whatsoever on whether or not GOD exists. The Theory of Evolution has nothing to do with whether or not GOD exists. Again, you simply don't know what you are talking about. The Theory of Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of the earth. In addition, it has nothing to do with whether or not GOD exists. I think you've been told this before. True. There is no evidence and no evidence has been presented to support the existence of Hauntings, Exorcisms and the Like. While it is fine for someone to belive in spirits, GODs or demons, there is no hard evidence they exist.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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If you have intelligent questions the feel free to ask.

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I already asked one.I asked you if you could demonstrate the effects of spirit to someone regardless of belief, like someone could demonstrate the effects of gravity regardless of belief.

Sorry, but if someone was telling you that the American military in the seventies was actively using astral projection or something like that, they were lying to you.I will retain control of my bowels if someone tells me the same. I will also know they are lying. So should you.

Many years ago I was visiting a friend, a Unix guru I'd originally met through the old Usenet news groups, on the Upper Peninsula and they were nice enough to take me ice fishing. We had a wonderful day, it was bitter cold outside yet inside their hut the temperature was fine, chilly but bearable. The food was good (bacon and beans cooked over an alcohol stove), there was plenty of coffee to drink and great companionship. We didn't catch anything but except for the fact my friend felt he had let me down, I don't think anyone minded.Sitting there in the little hut was somewhat unsettling. Although it was dark outside, a very clear patch of ice along one side picked up the light from outside and it was almost as though that area were lit from underneath.Every once in a while the ice would creak and groan and sometimes you'd hear what sounded like a shot going off. No one else seemed to even notice the sounds or to feel the movements in the ice from time to time.It was a strangely issolated experience in that little hut. He said his was smaller than most and that many were actually quite large. I believed him since several that we saw were considerably bigger than his. He said the folk were generally friendly and as a visitor to the area if I stopped at one I'd most likely be welcomed.As I said, we didn't catch anything and the next day, being Monday, he went back to work. More to amuse myself than anything else I decided to drive out to one of the bigger shacks and see what others could teach me about the arcane art of ice fishing.I got to a likely spot and it was considerably bigger than his. No one was there but I figured I'd at least give it a try myself. I set about to cut a hole in the ice. Then I heard it. A strange rumbling and a voice. It said, "Rot Their Teen".Now I got to admit that made no sense at all, "Rot TheirTeen.But the voice came again,"Rot TheirTeen",like a command.

Rot Theirteen

I look around and there was no one else I could see in the shack, I was all alone.Then the voice came back, booming, loud, otherworldly.It sounded like...

Lbh jvyy pngpu ab svfu.

"What did you say", I shouted?

Lbh jvyy pngpu ab svfu.

Again I asked, pleadingly, "What was that?"

Lbh jvyy pngpu ab svfu.

and the word, clear this time,

GO!

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"Why", I asked?

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Orpnhfr vg’f n ubpxrl evax, fghcvq.

came the booming answer from above.I had no idea what that meant but I can take a hint from above. Needless to say I got out of that place, back in my car and went straight back to my friends house.That night over dinner when we tired of talking computer stuff, I mentioned my experience. He just laughed at me and said one day I'd learn the truth of what happened.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I'm from the UP and I've heard of many who have had the exact same experience...but are you sure the demon wasn't saying"Qvf urer or n ubpxrl evax, ln qre url"?

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Asgara
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Could well be. There WAS a certain toothless quality to the Demonic Voice. It was kind of a Boom Boom sound like a rampant Geoffrion.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

In my new age days I used to demonstrate the effects of spirit regardless of belief by altering energy in anyone I so chose. I could reverse the flow of energy within your body to feel cold / hot. I could almost knock you out with sheer energic power if I so chose. There are many out there that are presently like the way I was.
That proves energy but that does not prove spirit. Spirit can not be measured by science nor can it be proven to someone who can not see. Any person can learn to see and understand the spirit however there is not a "dry display" that can be done to show a spirit. Spirits is not a simple duplicatable mass of energy, they are far more complicated than that.My military friend would not appreciate me divulging his name to a bunch of strangers. Sorry. You can look for yourself. If it doesn't interest you enough to look than it doesn't matter. He was in the canadian military and worked directly with the americans for years. It is amazing the similiarities and the vast differences between our two militaries.Anyway enough digression. talk later maybe...

JarThat statement woke me up. What kind of connections do you have? lfen

Sufficient.

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1. That's nice, Schraf. Just make sure you know what to do........in case. I haven't had any since, but if there should come an attack I will not fear, but rebuke in the name of Jesus as before.2. No harm was done to me or mine and the experience strengthened me spiritually to see, first hand, how powerful the name of Jesus really was/is. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Some "mental illnesses" are regarded as demonic by some Christians and others not. Some believe none are. It depends. I certainly do not believe most mental illness cases are demonic, but do believe some diagnosed as disease can be. According to the Bible one case of epilepsy was demonic which Jesus exorcised.2. I suppose it would be possible that anti-psychotic drugs may work temporary relief even to demonic possession, but remember, many so called mental people aren't helped a lot by drugs, especially on the long haul. Often the drugs are a detriment. Other drugs bring on mental problems as side effects. It is believed by many that some drugs, such as illegal ones soften up people so as for the demons to take over. If you remember, my attack came when I was physically exausted. They know when to hit.For what it's worth to this discussion, I believe Son Of Sam now considers himself to have been delivered by demonic powers by the power of conversion to Christ via the Holy Spirit "new birth" experience. He is now a devout Christian, when once neither the guards nor the inmates could bear to be around him.

He maybe, but "jailhouse conversions" often have ulterior motives. I would expect, or at least hope, that if his conversion was genuine he would come clean on his crimes and any accomplices for the sake of the families of the slain.Ted Bundy manipulated a Christian for mutual advantages but his conversion can't have been genuine as he didn't make a clean complete confession of his crimes leaving some families to never know what happened to their loved ones.Sociopathic personalites show up in the ranks of Bible and faith healing con artists. My understanding of this condition is that it is beyond repair and any conversion is fained for advantages.lfen

Dynamo321 Yeah right.Methinks your ego overcomes you.I doubt you could alter hot and cold in your showerhead.What baseless unsubstantiated drivel.
You are a legend in your own mind. *Ahem* That claims much but proves nothing. I figured as much would come of these extraordinary contentions.
It is a tale/ Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,/ Signifying nothing Your military friend is full of shit and you can have him contact me personally if you wish. I live in Canada and have friends in the forces. I bet you not only can't produce your "friend" but that he never existed in the first place.You talk the talk but you walk nowhere.Either put up something of value or take a hike.

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"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
--Don Hirschberg

isn't that just a cut and paste of your previous post?

I must say I am impressed but I, too, have power. I have very nearly knocked people out and have in fact succeeded a few times with my power. It's called a good right hook.I also have made people feel cold with my powers, but I require the use of a focusing crystal that must be slipped down the person's back. The effect lasts until the crystal returns to its normal room temperture state: water.I have a plan for making people feel hot. It involves a cup of gasoline and a zippo. I haven't field tested it yet, but I have high hopes.Not as impressive as using the power of my mind, I admit, but at least my ways would actually work.