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JESUS freak Inactive Member |
Just because something is dead doesn't mean it was once alive, is a block of iron alive? I don't think so as it does not fulfill al the requirements for life. Like iron, the amino acids created by the first miller experiment never fulfilled all the requirements of living.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Like iron, the amino acids created by the first miller experiment never fulfilled all the requirements of living. We all know that. If there is a biology text anywhere that claims otherwise (and you have failed to produce one) it is wrong, and inexcusably so. Do you have a point here at all, JF?
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
JesusFreak, It is time to follow the forum guidelines.
Your original opening post position has been shown to be false by all the information posted here. You have yet to supply any support for that position. It is time to retract what you've said or support it. Further comments of your own will not further the discussion.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Hi JESUS freak,
This is a serious science discussion site. You're expected to have sufficient skill, knowledge and maturity to carry on rational discussions based upon evidence. Please read and comply with Message 100 and Message 108, else by the end of the day you'll be in [forum=-28].
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
quote: The experiments results are the experiments results. If it is looked at in the context of "Let's set up these conditions, and see what happens", then the results are absolutely valid. The claim that those conditions were those of early Earth is what has been shown to be invalid. Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
mb109 writes: 6. the experiments results are invalid, because at the time the composition of the earth atmosphere was thought to be different then it is today. I have the same reaction as Moose. One of the great mysteries of life is how it started. Organic molecules, even just amino acids, are incredibly complex. It wasn't believed that uncontrolled conditions could produce such molecules. The significance of the Miller/Urey experiment, and the reason it is still cited today and described in all the textbooks, is that it forthrightly attacked this question for the first time, and because it *was* fantastically and unbelievably successful. A 70 year old experiment isn't still talked about today because it was a failure, but because it was landmark research demonstrating that complex organic compounds could be produced naturally. Experiments since then have revised and refined the environmental conditions, but all that is anticlimatic after the initial finding and usually barely rates a mention. --Percy
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 507 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Permit me to remind you of a very important post made by Admin.
Admin writes:
Please answer admin and provide us with some kind of quote or reference from the book that you claimed to have used the experiment to support evolution. JF writes:
Hi JESUS freak, I was talking about message 29 where you asked me if this was the book I'm not sure why we're experiencing difficulties here. It would be greatly appreciated if you would read the very recent messages from me and Charles more carefully and give us a meaningful response. You claim to have a text book that misrepresents the Miller/Urey experiment. Please provide the text of that mispresentation. Let me try to be very clear by repeating this: Please provide the text of the misreprentation of the Miller/Urey experiment from your earth science text book. Also, please provide the text of the other misrepresentations you have mentioned, such as the February, 2004, issue of Popular Science, or the March, 1998, issue of National Geographic. If there's something about this request that you don't understand or that you need help with then please just let us know.
Hate world. Revenge soon!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Like iron, the amino acids created by the first miller experiment never fulfilled all the requirements of living. Molecules aren't "alive" or "dead", JF. The amino acids contained in your cells are indistinguishable, in any way, from the aminos generated in the experiment. You may be alive, but you're made out of things that are not, themselves, alive.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Hi JESUS freak,
Since there have been no posts indicative of a change in behavior, I'm restricting you to [forum=-28] among the main forums. Since this is your thread, I will transfer it over there. You still have privileges in some of the non-main forums. Restoration of full privileges will happen once you've demonstrated the ability to follow moderator requests and the Forum Guidelines.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Thread moved here from the Origin of Life forum.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Hi Freak !
Welcome to the atheist indoctrination camp for christians. The food is lousy and the guards are mean. I can trade you a pair of earplugs for your breakfast othewrwise you will have to listen to propaganda tirades all day long. WT
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quote: Actually, it's the scientific indoctrination camp for creationists. This is where your creo cohorts learn what it is like to support a scientific theory.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
This is where your creo cohorts learn what it is like to support a scientific theory. At gun point ? Nothing silences the plain observation that the Boot Camp is opponent rage who have Admin powers. "Camps" are the atheist way of history = inescapable irony.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
This is rather off topic again WT.
It has been patiently explained to you why you are here. If you still don't understand then I guess you will keep yourself here indefinitely. (as a little dig, since I just can't resist it, a specific example of why you are here is that you refuse to read a map and say how far the GP is from the sea. Your refusal to do that is an example of your lack of willingness to debate in good faith. It is simple.)
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
WillowTree writes: Nothing silences the plain observation that the Boot Camp is opponent rage who have Admin powers. I'm responding to this mainly just to satisfy my own curiousity about whether you can think about this rationally. Let me ask you this question. If we moderators were truly outraged because your arguments were so effective that they couldn't be rebutted and we were completely stymied and wanted to prevent any further dissemination of your position, then why have we given you a forum to continue making your arguments? Why haven't we just banned you? You're here so you can learn effective debate techniques by supporting your assertions with evidence and well-reasoned arguments. Either support your position about the moderators here (but not in this thread as that would be off-topic) or don't mention it again. If I see this unsupported assertion again, your privileges will be permanently suspended. If you decide to address this, consider your answer carefully, because I'll consider nonsense to be equivalent to an unsupported assertion.
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