If some parts of the Bible can't be trusted how can any of it?

I agree with the view that if we can't trust the bible in some areas, then why should we accept any of it.Logically, if a book is the instrument for a perfect, all-powerful, all-knowing God to convey his message, wisdom, guidance to his creation, then he should be able to make it available to us in the form that he intended.

well, there are contradictions within the existing text, even if i haven't written anything in the bible. do you think it follows, then, that people have been adding to or changing the bible? it's not an assumption. clearly, no literalist i have ever talked has thought about it for an extended period of time. often, they don't even seem to know what the bible actually says. you see me responding to wild assertions with "book chapter verse?" on this board routinely. i've never once gotten an answer.

Then, is that why you are rejecting the scientific evidence of evolution? Because to accept that means you have to reject the foundation of your faith?

Well, why don't you go to your local Synagouge, and ask the Rabbi.I am sure you could learn the biblical Hebrew, which is slightly different than the modern hebrew.Since Jewish boys have to read from the Torah in Hebrew, they obviously have to learn .. and study with the Rabbi. I know several people, even though they were devote Christians, who learned hebrew from their local Rabbi. (Warning, they did pick up some very Jewish attitudes about religion, even though they did keep their Christian faith).

well, i have very jewish attitued about religion anyways. i don't think that's a bad thing.but i am planning on taking a college class in hebrew. i think that'll probably be fine for now.

Hi,
I was raised atheisitcally and have come to believe there must be some God (or divine Someone) only a few years ago, so I'm speaking from a different perspective than that of a christian who finds contradictions in the Bible.I was always sceptical of what is said in the Bible and I believe modern scientific discoveries to be correct. I, too, have been looking into how this can all be compromised - like, if we can't trust part of the Bible, how can we trust anything in it?What I think, is that God din't write the Bible, and nor did Jesus Christ. The Bible was written by humans that lived centuries or even millennia after the date the things they described happened. Further, they hdn't yet discovered the things we have now - Darwin, Einstein and other great scientists hadn't been born for centuries.People have always used mystical expanations for things they didn't understand, and these may later have been dicsovered to be incorrect.This in itself, however, does not mean that we can trust nothing that's been said in the Bible. The Bible does contain great information about Christ's life and about the Word of God. It also contains explanations of things, which we have later come to question or even falsify.God, for sure, does not contradict Himself. Nor does He contradict science. A statement I read someplace, which I really loved, is that, through scientific and other discoveries, we will come to understand God and the way he created the Universe with all its natural laws.I still am pretty sceptical of what is said in the Bible - and I think I'll remain sceptical of it. The Bible was written in a time when humans knew much less than we do now, so some parts of it may be very worthy, but others are flawed - the people that lived t the time simply didn't know what we know now.Astrid

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The reason the Bible is the Word of God, is because it says what happens thousands of years before it happens.Please see the following link:Page not found

Which Bible is the Word of God? How do you know? Do you have a Bible from way back then?

Brian,Reading that I flashed on Homer being blind, so he was even more amazing than Mohammed who was only illiterate whereas Homer was illiterate and blind! Pretty amazing, huh?lfen

> Which Bible is the Word of God?The "textus receptus" a.k.a. the received majority Greek New Testament text, along with the translation of the Hebrew to Greek executed circa 250 BC called the Septuagint, are the Word of God.Since...Righteousness exalteth a nation...
Proverbs 14:34...and after publishing the 1611 King James Bible, England became a world power until the 1950's. So if the British people reading the King James Bible, were able to live righteously enough to be exalted by God as a superpower for more than 300 years, then I would take the King James Bible as sufficiently close to the actual inspired, inerrant texts, for God to bless their reading of it.So to answer your question of "which bible", the answer is, the Christian Bible. Since only the Christian Bible, New Testament and Old, say what happens thousands of years before they happen. Please see Page not found for this evidence.> How do you know? Do you have a Bible from way back then?Actually, in Page not found, the claim is made that we have copies of the Septuagint Old Testament from 250BC.For the New Testament, we know that it was quoted over 35,000 times by early Christians between the death of Jesus, and 325 AD. Obviously, you can't quote what does not exist. We have 24,000 copies, portions, and miniscules of the New Testament in many languages, from Christianity's rapid spread in the ancient world. Critically, the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem, is a spectacular example of God's judgement of Israel, and strong evidence for the passing of the mantle of God's one way to heaven from Judaism to Christianity, is never mentioned one time in the New Testament, because the New Testament was written before 70 AD in it's entirety.For the Old Testament, we know that ancient historians like Josephus, who recorded the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, quoted from the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament. Philo quoted from the Old Testament also. Good question though not explicitly about historians quoting from the Old Testament more than 2000 years ago, does cover it with some thoroughness.For examples of the Old and New Testament saying what happens thousands of years before they happen, please see Page not found.Only the prophets of Judaism, and the apostles of Jesus Christ, have ever forecast the future with accuracy. This is the signature of God, that the Christian Bible is the way to know the mind of God.ROTB

Actually, I looked over at That link and could not find any real evidence that there were any prophesies fullfilled.But I could be persuaded. Look through the Bible and find a prophesy that will happen later this year, one for next year too, and post them for us.

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And the Roman Empire was able to be exalted enough by Jupiter et al. to stay a superpower for 500 years or so. Then that scurrilous Constantine snuck in Christianity, and here came the Visigoths! What a silly argument, ROTB! Welcome to the board, but think before you post here! Some folks here can get pretty rough on that sort of stuff...

You mean that the Bible is the Word of God because people twist it to pretend that it predicted events thousands of years after it was written ?In your link it says :

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Ezekiel, another prophet, was also alive at this time, further prophesied in Ezekiel 4:3-6 that God knew that his people still would turn away from Him. Ezekiel was given a mathematical calculation, which clearly stated the number of years that this punishment lasted would equal 430 years. When we subtract the initial 70 years of punishment from the 430 years, we end up with 360 years of punishment that has been added to the initial 70 years.

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If you read the verses this is clearly false. Ezekiel was given no mathematical calculation. He was told that there would be 390 years of punishment for Israel and 40 years for Judah. These are seperate punishments on different people and certainly should not be added together

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4 "As for you, lie down on your left side and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel on it; you shall bear their iniquity for the number of days that you lie on it.
5 "For I have assigned you a number of days corresponding to the years of their iniquity, three hundred and ninety days; thus you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
6 "When you have completed these, you shall lie down a second time, but on your right side and bear the iniquity of the house of Judah; I have assigned it to you for forty days, a day for each year.

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>Actually, I looked over at That link and could not find any real
>evidence that there were any prophesies fullfilled.I apologize. Some of the ones at Page not found are easier to grasp if you already trust the Bible. But surely an exponential rise in the number of earthquakes discussed in the section "The Rise in Major 'Killer' Earthquakes" is an example of Jesus saying what hapened almost 2000 years before it happened?Page not found shows how Moses, Ezekiel, and Jeremiahs writings point to 1948AD as the year Israel would be reborn as a nation. Men cannot make predictions like this.Again, we have many historians citing the Old Testament from 2000+ years ago, and the Word of God came true about when Israel would be born. That's why we know the Bible is the Word of God, because it claims to tell the future ...I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did [them] suddenly, and they came to pass.
Isaiah 48:3... and it does, also pointing to 32AD as the year the Messiah would be killed. That's discussed in Page not found also.What GIFTS from a loving God, for us to know that the Bible is His word, and He transcends space and time, just like he says he does.ROTB