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Author Topic:   If some parts of the Bible can't be trusted how can any of it?
One_Charred_Wing
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Message 66 of 189 (112555)
06-03-2004 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by DC85
05-26-2004 9:46 PM


WHOA!
Next time please tell me when you're actually taking me up on an offer to start a new topic; this really hit me by surprise to see myself being quoted.
dc85 writes:
If some parts of the Bible can't be trusted how can any of it?
My point of view on this subject fluxuated from untrusting to fully believing in the Bible almost daily so here's the current answer:
It's not so much what can be trusted, it's what I agree with morally.
Lot was a scoundrel to offer his daughters to the mob, yet God would help him escape and turn his wife into a pillar of salt for turning around? ...Well, He did specifically tell them not to look back, but the point is that Lot was a punk. Also, some of the things that happened during the Exodus certainly weren't moral. To flood the entire world including women and children is pretty aweful too, whether it happened on am actual worldwide scale or just on a large piece of land.
The thing is, Jesus's teachings were by far more reasonable than that of the old testament: He has no prejudice, He wasn't sexist, and he wasn't for violence at all. However, he showed 'em that there were times to stand up and be a man (when he wipped the pimps and gamblers out of the temple) and times to give the blade a rest(told peter to stop pulling a Tyson and drop the sword when they came to take him away).
In other words, what I believe really happened and didn't happen at all fluxuates constantly, but what I believe to be teachings that could bring enemies together (and it works, I've tried it with nothing but success) is what Jesus taught; to feast with your enemies. If you were a moment away from fighting someone, wait till it cools down and try to play nice. The best part is how surprised they look when the guy that was going to punch them a week ago is now loaning them a dollar for a soda. I have only read the very first message of this thread, but I felt it would be appropriate to answer the original question.

Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit.

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 68 of 189 (112731)
06-04-2004 3:05 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by berberry
06-03-2004 4:00 AM


Working together to piss off my superiors
berberry writes:
I always enjoy reading your take on these issues, Preach.
In all seriousness thank you. It helps to know at least a few people don't think I'm crazy.
That hamlet quote is great, and that's a good possibility tha by 'in His image' the Bible means something other than physical appearance.
In the decisions to do right and wrong would be a good idea if not for the apple-eating thing.(unless God set it up on purpose, which is what I would do in His shoes) It's clear God can do some destructive things too. Somewhere in Lamentations and Isaiah there are the following lines.
"I create light and create darkness; I, the Lord, do all these things."
(I'm pretty sure the above is Isaiah.)
"(something about dealing with suffering without whining)..., for the Lord has laid it on him."
God isn't afraid to lay the smack down and is more than able to, and so are we to a lesser extent. Remember an image is just a flat, 2D vision of the original, so ofcourse He is many times amplified in whatever image we are of Him.
I enjoy agreeing with you, partly because I know my superiors would be pissed off like a redneck in a distance whizzing contest if they knew I was on good terms with somebody like you even just on an internet forum. Nothing like breakin' the rules for a good cause

Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit.

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 71 of 189 (112777)
06-04-2004 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by crashfrog
06-04-2004 4:54 AM


crashfrog writes:
That's a hardly Christlike position for them to take, don't you think? If they get all up in your face, remind them that Jesus spent more time with prostitutes and tax collectors than he did with the righteous. Christ ministered by getting to know people, by getting into their lives and seeing from their perspective. Surely there can't be anything wrong with following suit?
You're absoluetely right; it's just that the only connections I have with people that are in the ministry and are willing to help the up-and-coming newbies happen to be Southern Baptists. Although there are some exceptions to the Southern Baptist stereotype,I think that speaks for itself.

Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit.

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 72 of 189 (112782)
06-04-2004 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Abshalom
06-04-2004 12:38 PM


Re: Image vs. Similar Nature
abshalom writes:
Elohim said, "Let Us fashion mankind so that he rules over fish, birds, cattle, and the other creatures in Our natural creation similarly to the manner in which We would if We chose not to create mankind."
I'm a little confused. Who's Elohim?
This, I think, is how the fabricators of the story viewed mankind's status in the natural order
Judging by how things have been going on earth for the past millenia, whether fabricators or recitors of God's word, I'd say they were right.

Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit.

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