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Author Topic:   Life on Other Planets: Is it a problem for creationists?
contracycle
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Message 46 of 101 (116403)
06-18-2004 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by kendemyer
02-29-2004 7:18 PM


Re: other intelligent life
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The Bible declares:
"For God so loved the world He gave his only begotten Son."
Correct. The bible declares that, let us leave to one side for a moment whether or not that is actually true.
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There is no mention of worlds. In other words, there is no plural used.
Also correct. Thus, would it not be surprising if we discoevered there WERE other worlds?
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Therefore, based on my Biblical exegesis I would say that we are it in the universe.
Fair enough.
Now lets say a hundred years from now we humans are merely one among many intelligent, technical, space-faring species known to us. Sure, this is a hpotehtical, go with it.
IF that were the case - and it contradicted the apparent conclusion of your exegesis, which it does - how would you feel about it?

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contracycle
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Message 51 of 101 (117442)
06-22-2004 7:05 AM


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However, will we ever find other life and intermingle? No, for what we touch becomes defiled by virtue of our sinfulness.
Adam and Eve have passed their mistake down to all the generations that have followed them. Unavoidable.
So the answer to the initial question is "Yes, if we discoevered intelligent alien life, it would falsify many biblical claims and thus it would indeed be a problem for creationists."
Thank you for prevaricating.

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contracycle
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Message 56 of 101 (117463)
06-22-2004 9:46 AM
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06-22-2004 9:15 AM


Re: In what way
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Let's just say the bible is correct and there are other worlds God has made, to assume he might make them without intelligent life, is rather limited.
Maybe. OTOH, the whole bible heavily implies that humanity is somehow IMPORTANT to god; this importance is diluted if he made lots of little people all over the place. It also presents problems for the "in his image" statement.
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What the bible does not say is that these worlds are fallen as is ours.
True. So that opens the prospect that Fallen humans might interact with unFallen, sinless aliens. In which case, how important are we to god?
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let's say that will never happen.
Uh, no. Why should we do that?
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They would 'get sin' IF they were to meet us.
How? Is sin contagious?
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... I have a feeling that we are approaching the end-times and Armageddon is not long in coming. There is a place in the middle east - Megiddo - or Armageddon. Spooky, isn't it?
Uh no, not really. Thats like suggesting that if London appears in a book, its "spooky" that London actually exists. A number of major confrontations are though to have been fought at Meggido, primarily featuring the Egyptians.
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Therefore, Christ does not need to die ad infinitum, there is no need.
In which case, Christ is not the only way, truth and light. There must be other ways.
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contracycle
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Message 59 of 101 (117802)
06-23-2004 4:44 AM
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06-22-2004 4:39 PM


Re: As you
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oh, what does it mean to be created in his image?
Well, you tell me: its one of those statements that has had a lot of interpretations imposed on it. If we were to encounter walkin' talkin' aliens, I suggest it would have to be interpreted again.

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contracycle
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Message 61 of 101 (118297)
06-24-2004 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by PecosGeorge
06-24-2004 1:33 PM


Re: Aliens
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Creating man in his image, to me, simply means he created him the way he imagined man should look.
Well, presumably he created the ants and the rubber tree's as he thought they should look - if he exists, of course. Are you therefore saying the humans and ants are just as worthy, just as valuable, just as important as us in gods eyes?
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contracycle
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Message 64 of 101 (118344)
06-24-2004 3:36 PM


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yes, I'm saying that
In fact, you are not saying that. Let me demonstrate:
My question: are humans and ants AS IMPORTANT in gods eyes?
you say: Man is the highest order in creation and receives status in the mention of being created in God's image.
So clearly, ants and humans are not AS IMPORTANT as one another; humans are MORE IMPORTANT, and mean more to god.
Thats why he sent his only begotten son yada yada. Where is the Ant Messiah? Do ants go to heaven too? If we are not special, why did god give us commandments? The whole point of christiabnity would be destroyed if we are not special.

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contracycle
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Message 66 of 101 (120636)
07-01-2004 6:04 AM


Why not? You said that humans and ants are just as worthy in gods eyes, why do only we get life after death? I mean, if jesus death saved any notional intelligent aliens as well as us, were the ants not Saved as well?

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contracycle
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Message 77 of 101 (178043)
01-18-2005 4:48 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by LDSdude
01-17-2005 11:09 PM


Re: I cannot answer for other religions, but......
So do ants and aliens get to go to LDS heaven?

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contracycle
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Message 78 of 101 (178459)
01-19-2005 4:43 AM


bump

  
contracycle
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Message 94 of 101 (187142)
02-21-2005 4:52 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by boomatt
02-12-2005 2:07 AM


Re: nice faith
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Looks to me like it would take a lot more faith that there might be something billions of lightyears away would exist.
Yes and its also obvious the sun rotates around the earth.
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Also, have you looked at the odds for life on this planet.
Yes. Thats pretty much why I consider life inevitable on water-bearing worlds. I'm in the camp that expects to see life anywhere we see liquid water.
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contracycle
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Message 101 of 101 (190889)
03-10-2005 6:20 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by boomatt
02-22-2005 10:20 PM


Re: nice faith
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why do you think nobody takes orgs like seti seriously.
I think you meant to say "why do you think IDIOTS don't take SETI seriously."
SETI is IMO the second most profound project with which humanity is presently engaged. The first is adressing global warming.

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