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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
So tell us, young Skywalker...what does hold sway over your decisions? What authority DO you recognize? As far as moral authority goes? My own. Why do you ask? "You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!" -Jane Christie
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dans clever alias writes: I was just checking who was gonna be responsible for the bill when you check out of here, thats all.
As far as moral authority goes? My own. Why do you ask?
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
I was just checking who was gonna be responsible for the bill when you check out of here, thats all. I'm a bit busy for a round of dueling cryptic posts. If you're driving towards a point, then wake me when we get there. "You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!" -Jane Christie
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dan writes: And to think that you are letting someone else drive?! If you're driving towards a point, then wake me when we get there.That WAS my whole point. Now go back to sleep. This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-11-2005 01:05 PM Truth is stranger than fiction because we have made fiction to suit ourselves. -- G.K. Chesterson It ain't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so.-- Will Rogers
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I want to die like my Grandfather, peacefully in my sleep, and not screaming in terror like the guy in the passenger's seat.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Well, Gramps was asleep in the boat just like Jesus!
This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-12-2005 12:25 AM
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Philip Member (Idle past 4752 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
I wonder if Easter (the Saxon moon god Ashtoreth (of Baal) ... AKA female "Allah") didn't play on anyone here this year.
Could be wrong, but I bet many of you evangies and evos toyed somewhat with her again this year ... if not for the kids, blah, blah. Who keeps this religious crap around anyway? Public schools still toy with it! Personal spirituality, not. This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 04-12-2005 12:26 AM
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StormWolfx2x Inactive Member |
im gonna stand up for schraf for a second here, even though Im sure she will say the same thing when she responds.
"You can do this in Saudi Arabia in an American compound, but this would not be appropriate in public, because you would be setting an example of putting materialistic pleasures above obedience of the Quran." She has said numerous times that she is not an Islamic woman, so in an Islamic state with true freedom of religion, if her religion (or lack thereof) allowed her to drink in public places then doing so would okay, not allowing her to drink would violate her right to practice her religion in peace. "A woman who faithfully follows the teachings would not want to do as you say. That is not a restriction of freedom. It is a proper way of life." True, a woman who faithfully follows the teachings of Quran would not want to do as she says, BUT SHE is NOT ISLAMIC, if you force her to follow religious standards you ARE restricting her freedom, and saying your religious veiws are proper while hers are not is religious oppression. "I understand that you do not understand. You probably think the same thought about me." I know you don't understand what she is saying becuase you are taking what she says and applying it to an Islamic woman, you have to do this because if you weren't applying it to an Islamic woman, you would be contradicting yourself. This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 04-12-2005 12:26 AM
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The truth is that we do not need religion to develop spiritually.
Religion is not the goal; it is just a tool. Many people find it difficult to accept, but in fact religion is a human invention. Spirituality on the other hand is a universal, godly existence that is the core of life and not at its edge. True or Not? This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-12-2005 03:25 AM "How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives."-- Anne Dillard "Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."Elbert Hubbard
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StormWolfx2x Inactive Member |
IANAT writes: I would say that I (and most Muslims) do not want a "separation of church and state" in Islamic countries. How ridiculously convenient, Islamic people in Islamic countries want their governing powers to be Islamic. Not having this separation is fine for the people who are in power, but would these same Muslims still not want separation of church and state when they live in is controlled by a non Islamic church? When the church in control of your state tells you that you have to practice their religion you can get back to me on how great not having a separation of church and state is.
IANAT writes: Islam is a way of life. How can you have separate authorities that might have conflicts to the Quran? You only need one authority. We do separate authorities in the U.S., its called checks and balances, and it’s a great way to keep tyrants from having absolute power, what would your one authority do when a person rises to the top, changes hats, and then no one has the power to oppose them?
IANAT writes: With the western idea of separation, you bring homosexuals "out of the closet" (to use an American phrase) and put your religious believers in the closet with your government laws. This is upside down, in our view. You said earlier that
IANAT writes: You can do this in Saudi Arabia in an American compound, but this would not be appropriate in public, because you would be setting an example of putting materialistic pleasures above obedience of the Quran. You support forcing non-Muslims into American compounds!?!?! (I guess since its American they would then actually enjoy a level of freedom) Who’s shoving who into a closet?
IANAT writes: It is difficult in this country to work and yet practice Islam with our prayer schedule. That is not a problem in an Islamic state. If you think it’s difficult in a country that has a separation of church and state, imagine how hard it would be in a country that did not have separation and was not Islamic.
IANAT writes: I feel that I am starting to go in circles trying to explain this concept of an Islamic state, so I think I will give the subject a rest. When you directly contradict yourself, you do tend to go in circles.
Note from Admin: Reminding you that the topic is organized religion and personal spirituality. Try not to get political. Thanks. PB This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 04-12-2005 03:29 AM
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StormWolfx2x Inactive Member |
"The truth is that we do not need religion to develop spiritually."
Agreed. "Religion is not the goal; it is just a tool." If you are a person that needs relgion to achive spirtuality than sure, I'd contest though that religion is a poor tool for achiving sprituality as it is to contristing and does not allow enough spritual freedom, at least for me. "Many people find it difficult to accept, but in fact religion is a human invention." Im sure of that, and I would also add that God is a human invention. "Spirituality on the other hand is a universal, godly existencethat is the core of life and not at its edge." To me (changed words capitalized)-Spirituality on the other hand is THE universal, HUMAN existence that is the core of life and not at its edge. "BTW StormKingx2x...Is not Saudi Arabia a Theocracy?" its Stormwolf ;P. and can you please rephrase this and quote something I said that this was a response to, I just want to be completely clear as to what your trying to ask before I respond
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contracycle Inactive Member |
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: What are you going tyo do about your homicidal liar president? Its pointless having checks and balances when you don't exercise them. - Frankly this thread should just be closed, and I ask the administratotors to do so. It is becomeing a venue for nothing more than Islamaphobic ranting of the same kind of self-righteous hysteria that lead to the recent invasion.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Sure,buddy...except that you and I disagree BIG time on God being a human invention. While you are suggesting that Man imagined God, I will staunchly maintain and defend that God created us and foreknew all of us way way before we were even capable of imagining Him.
I have witnessed the supernatural in action, and I have been at countless Bible studies and both formal and informal times where the presence of God was known. You won't convince me that God is merely an invention of the human mind. I like and respect human achievment, but I will never humanize the Creator while lifting up human wisdom.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
contra writes: The thread is about Spirituality and NOT politics, Contra. We have "venues" in this country. They are called Freedom of Speech. You can choose to participate or ignore the topic. Frankly this thread should just be closed, and I ask the administratotors to do so. It is becomeing a venue for nothing more than Islamaphobic ranting of the same kind of self-righteous hysteria that lead to the recent invasion. EVERYONE: Lets Keep Focus on Spirituality and Organized Religion---NOT Politics.
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