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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5900 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Hi RAZD,
I agree with the Moose. It's an absolutely brilliant piece of work, and deserves more to be placed in Columnists' Corner rather than a standard Geology and the Great Flud topic. I'm afraid it's simply too long and too complex (IMO) to generate much in the way of actual debate - you've pulled a Darwin with the amount of evidence you've presented. It is HIGHLY unlikely that any creo here will seek to dispute it. In addition, placing it in the Columnists's Corner will let it be easily visible forever, rather than all that effort being wasted in a topic buried under a ton of less, shall we say, "well-researched" topics?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
One of my personal goals is to bring the references up to columnist corner standards used on my other column, and that will require some work at this point.
Certainly the points you and moose have raised are valid, and I am flattered as well. For discussion one can always pull out a "step-bystep" approach as I tried to do with "relative" (aka "simple" "whisper" "whatever" etc) in Age Correlations, step by step. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5619 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
The bottom line is that the evidence of an old earth is as overwhelming as the data that the earth is an oblate spheroid that orbits the sun, and thus "Young Earth Creationists" (YEC) are no less foolish than "flatearthers" and "geocentrists" in their mistaken beliefs (in fact you could say that the evidence for an old earth is more accessible and easier to comprehend than the evidence that invalidates the geocentric model of the universe). This part of your paragraph designed only to inflame creationists and feed evolutionists ego should be removed from your opening statement. If I said the evolutionists are a bit flat headed (foolish) for believing in an old earth based off the evidence. You would take offense and cry foul (not because I believe the evidence is overwhelming) but because the implication that evolutionists are foolish flat heads is an inflaminatory statement. Thank-you, Charley
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Okay.
I'll change it to
The bottom line is that the evidence of an old earth is as overwhelming as the data that the earth is an oblate spheroid that orbits the sun. In fact one could say that the evidence for an old earth is more accessible and easier to comprehend than the evidence that invalidates the geocentric model of the universe. Thus any "Young Earth Creationist" (YEC) that persists in their belief - in spite of all the evidence to the contrary - is no more rational than any "geocentrist" holding on to their mistaken belief. So you have the option. Choice. Free will. Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I realize that the moderator's are going to want new member Charles Fisenne to flesh out his opening post a bit more before approval, but I would like to point out that
Accept all into the society who believe these two beliefs are essential to sustain a free society. is about as good evidence as any how intelligent design isn't actually about science.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Isn't alhussein just that guy from Texas who keeps joining under a new name every couple of months or so, just so he can post a badly punctuated, two sentence PNT?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, it is likely just Pop.
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
I think the admin's objections to Dan's new thread about why God should care about seemingly paultry things should be promoted as is.
I just want to throw in my hat with his in saying that if any discussion God or Gods is allowed at all then certainly Dan's ficticious God which he describes is just as valid as any that have been discussed which have previously included Flying Spaghetti Monsters, Invisible Pink Unicorns, Greek Gods, among others. Rejecting his thread on the grounds that the God he describes if ficticious is a fundamental misjudgement by the admin involved. Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget) |
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I wouldn't mind if City on a Hill's thread were promoted. It seems that CoaH doesn't have a very good idea of what science is, and it might be useful to explain basic science to him.
At the very least, even if the thread is not promoted, CoaH should be directed to whatever open threads are discussing these issues. I'm sure that the two separate issues in his proposed topic are already the topic of various threads.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
You asked for it Chiro!
You're the newbees mentor now. I'll suggest to others that they don't pile on.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Despite Adminnemooseus' accusation of babbling, this is actually an excellent topic that Mike has stumbled upon, and a very important field of study in logic, mathematics, and extreme theoretical physics - not to mention in more casual philosophy and also electronic/computer design.
Mike's opening questions are spot on: "Is it science? Is it part of science. Is it important? Did the likes of Darwin and Einstein observe such laws as the excluded middle?" Now Mike may have just been having a dig at the use of logic, but given that his questions have good answers it would seem a pity not to promote this - obvious destination is "Is it science?"
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Thanks for the vote. Infact I wasn't having a dig, I try to observe logic as best I can, and in my opinion it is an integral part of science. Hypothetic reductio, etcc.. Heavy induction, in order for a paradigm to have weight... etc..
I even admitt that I don't know God exists, and that evolution is the best theory, and that Jesus might not exist, all BECAUSE of logic. I'm a vulcan. In chat, I was rudely told I was talking "shit" and "jabberwhocky" by Jar, when I said that something is either A or NOT A, in response to the proposition that something can be true and false.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Oh well, I was looking forward to a discussion on the role of the excluded middle in science and philosophy - maybe some other time.
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Admin Director Posts: 13040 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
cavediver writes: Oh well, I was looking forward to a discussion on the role of the excluded middle in science and philosophy - maybe some other time. Let us not miss an opportunity. Can you submit a topic proposal that briefly describes Mike's position about the excluded middle followed by what you see as the problems?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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