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Mr. Ex Nihilo Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 712 Joined: |
Could someone show me in the Scriptures where it says the Scriptures are the only source for knowing about God?
Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not asking for Scriptures which authenticate the validity of their source. I'm also not asking for passages of Scripture which state the value of the Scriptures. I'm simply asking for a passage of Scripture which actually specifically says that one can only trust the Scriptures themselves.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, if Scripture is mentioned in the Bible it's not refering to "The Bible". The Bible did not exist until hundreds of years after the contents of the Bible, particularly the NT, were written.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Besides, isn't it a bit problematic when a source makes its own claims of reliability?
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Mr. Ex Nihilo Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 712 Joined: |
I think you might be misunderstanding me a bit. I'm not arguing about whether the Scriptures or true or not. I'm noting what the Scriptures claim about themselves.
For example, this passage comes to mind...
NIV writes: But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. See what I mean? The Scripture make many claims about themselves -- yet they never seem to say, as far as I'm able to determine, that the Scriptures themsleves are the only source by which one can understand and know God. I find it ironic that the bulwark of the Sola Scriptura theology doesn't actually seem to have rock solid Scriptural "proof text" to back it up. Even in the case of this passage:
NIV writes: I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. A common translation of this by some appears to be that the Scriptures will never pass away -- but I don't think that's what this passage is saying. This message has been edited by Mr. Ex Nihilo, 10-16-2005 12:13 PM
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Mr. Ex Nihilo Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 712 Joined: |
But I'm not talking about the Bible. I'm talking about what the Scriptures claim about themselves.
Admittedly there are different canons from different Christian perspectives -- Catholic, Orthodox, High-Anglican, Protestant, Evangelical, etc. Each scope of the Christian may have their own view on what is considered correct and acceptable Scriptures to include in the canon. However, whether the protestant evangelical Scriptural canons are correct or incorrect is not important for this discussion. What the protestant evangelical Scriptures claim about themselves, however, is. I'm not here to debate canons. I'm here to ask if anyone can point me to a verse within the traditionally protestant evangelical canons which explicitly claim that the Scriptures are the only souce for knowing God? I may be wrong. Maybe I just haven't seen one passage of Scripture that can actually hold to this claim yet. Do you know of any?
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:There isn't one. "The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I understand what you are asking, Mr. X. I wish I had thought of that question myself! If it turns out that no one can answer the question, I think I'll use it myself someday.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Mr. Ex Nihilo Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 712 Joined: |
That's what I think too.
This message has been edited by Mr. Ex Nihilo, 10-16-2005 12:08 PM
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Mr. Ex Nihilo Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 712 Joined: |
It is an interesting question, isn't it?
I guess I'll wait and see what others have to offer.
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Mr. Ex Nihilo Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 712 Joined: |
No one's going to tackle this one?
Come one guys -- Sola Scriptura? Surely it must be in the Scriptures? By the way, I'm not mocking anyone's faith. I'm just very surprised that no one actually came to defend this. I guess I'll take a look myself and see if I can find any verses which could be seen in this light. *le sigh*
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Come one guys -- Sola Scriptura? Surely it must be in the Scriptures?
I tried Google and wikipedia. I didn't find anything pointing to a scriptural basis. Perhaps I was careless and overlooked something.
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Mr. Ex Nihilo Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 712 Joined: |
Hmmm...how about passages like this...
NIV writes: Acts 17:11Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Romans 15:4For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. These passages are the only ones I can find that even allude to the Sola Scriptura theology -- yet even these do not state that the Scriptures themselves are the only mean by which one can come to know God. There is another one that I hear often...
NIV writes: But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. But, yet again, this doesn't specifically state that the Scriptures are the sole means by which one can come to know God. Most people I hear use this passage to prove that miracles do not happen anymore. I even question this interpretation -- because the passage seems to be talking about when a believer is joined with Christ, and seems to have nothing to do with miracles per se in our lifetimes.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
quote: But "everything that was written in the past" isn't specifically restricted to the Bible either. Taken in the broadest sense, that verse seems to negate Sola Scriptura rather than supporting it. People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
quote:I don't see that as specifically supporting sola scriptura. It does seem to say that we should not accept Paul's writings on faith, but should test them by examining the scriptures (what were accepted as scriptures at that time).
quote:I don't see that as relevant to Sola Scriptura. I suspect that Sola Scriptura is itself extra-scriptural. That is, it comes from the traditions of evangelical protestantism, rather than from scripture. I doubt that this would a problem. It is my impression that Sola Scriptura is intended to apply to core beliefs, such as the requirements for salvation. I don't see it as applying to the entirety of the evangelical tradition.
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