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Author Topic:   Weather Channel founder calls Global Warming "a scam."
Jaderis
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Message 31 of 124 (434729)
11-17-2007 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by New Cat's Eye
11-17-2007 12:04 AM


What if those results are wrong?
So what if they are?
I've never understood that question.
So, we take steps to decrease and maybe eventually eliminate carbon emissions by investing in and promoting alternative sources of energy. Is this a bad thing? Yea, this costs money, but fossil fuels are a finite resource and we should be doing this anyway. Besides the fact that cleaner air, cleaner water supplies, and the ceasing of strip mining are, you know, a good thing.
So, we encourage people to recycle with the goal of limiting or eliminating unnecessary waste. Is this a bad thing?
So, we encourage people to use less electricity which reduces the strain on power grids, reduces carbon emissions and saves them money, too. Is this a bad thing?
So, we encourage people to drive less (ride a bike or walk short distances...get some exercise!) or carpool (driving with friends...IOW socialize more!). Is this a bad thing?
So, we spend some time and energy planning for potential catastrophe (in the form of coastal flooding, "super storms" agricultural collapse, famine, drought, etc). Is this a bad thing? We should have solid plans in place for natural disasters and/or the displacement of massive amounts of people anyway.
It doesn't matter if global warming is a "scam." It doesn't matter if the causes are man-made or natural. There is no good reason, IMHO, why we shouldn't be doing any of these things (or others I neglected to mention) anyway.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
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Jaderis
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Message 35 of 124 (434740)
11-17-2007 3:56 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by New Cat's Eye
11-17-2007 3:19 AM


Then, for one possibility, we are unnecessarily hindering our technological advancements in the effort to mitigate an effect that is negligible.
How would "going green" hinder our technological advancement? I would think that seeking out and perfecting alternative sources of energy might actually open up new possibilities for advancement, but even if not, I fail to see how it would hinder us.
One point is that the people who are benefiting for the Global Warming "hoax" are using the scare as a tactic to make money off the green scene.
As opposed to people making money off of the polluting, wasteful, war-inducing "non-green" scene? I don't see the problem here.
None of those things are bad things.
I'm glad you agree
The point is that if nothing that we do matters WRT Global Warming, then those things are the "hoax" that others are getting rich off off.
Again, I don't see the problem with people making money from green policies which, as you concede, are good things.
Plus,. if it is a hoax (and we are the only one "doing anything" about and thus the only ones "falling for it" then we will be putting ourselves in the back of the pack.
Again, I don't see how developing alternative sources of energy, recycling, being less wasteful, etc will put us "in the back of the pack." Please explain.
One good reason is that China and India are going to make negligible the effects that the U.S. has on the global ecology, and then by limiting our technological advancements, we are going to put ourselves behind them. Among others things. That's just one interpretation.
So we shouldn't do anything because China and India aren't in a position (yet) to take the lead in being more green? I doubt they are going to surpass us in economic/political dominance on the world stage because we wanted wind power. I think it will have much more to do with their massive (and cheap!) workforce and, in the case of China, fierce capitalism (low worker protections/wages and lax environmental and safety regulations) combined with totalitarianism (protest the conditions and see what happens). Do you think we should be like China and completely eliminate workplace, safety and environmental regulations so we can compete? I hardly think you will enjoy the reduced standard of living in America if we do.
And again, I don't see how we would fall behind in technological advancements by developing new technologies.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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Jaderis
Member (Idle past 3456 days)
Posts: 622
From: NY,NY
Joined: 06-16-2006


Message 63 of 124 (434850)
11-17-2007 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Jaderis
11-17-2007 3:56 AM


Responding to myself:
So we shouldn't do anything because China and India aren't in a position (yet) to take the lead in being more green? I doubt they are going to surpass us in economic/political dominance on the world stage because we wanted wind power.
Well, it looks like they might be in more of a position to take the lead than I thought.
China Powers Ahead On Renewable Energy
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China is well on its way to acquiring fully 15 percent of its energy from renewable sources by the year 2020, while the United States is dragging its feet on transitioning away from fossil fuels, according to a pair of reports released here this week.
Nations across the globe invested over $50 billion collectively into renewable energy conversion last year, and in 2007 China alone is expected to account for some $10 billion of investment, explains “Powering China’s Development: The Role of Renewable Energy,” released Wednesday by the Worldwatch Institute, an independent Washington, DC research group.
With this large financial commitment, China looks poised to pass solar and wind energy leaders in Europe and North America and become a leader in renewables manufacturing, the report notes, adding that, at this pace, China will draw 30 percent of its power from renewable sources by 2050.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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