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Hyroglyphx
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Message 1 of 124 (434637)
11-16-2007 5:12 PM


Meteorologist, John Coleman, founder of the Weather Channel, reportedly stated that Global Warming is the biggest scam in history-- strong words from someone as reputable as he is.
This, no doubt, means a veritable excommunication of sorts. Despite this, it is certainly commendable to dissent in the face of overwhelming opposition. Then again, Coleman has enough clout within the community to bolster support amongst the small, but growing community of dissenters.
If indeed Coleman is correct in his assessment, that the warming trend is a perfectly natural one that is not due to human intervention, what will this mean for the side of house that continues to support the assertion of anthropogenic global warming?
http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/national/11114421.html
Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : Edit to add link

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 10 of 124 (434650)
11-16-2007 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by New Cat's Eye
11-16-2007 5:25 PM


Soylent Green revisited
What are you getting at?
That the hysteria may just be that.... hysteria.
Also, assuming that it is perfectly natural, aren't we still in danger and should do something about it?
The weather is always a potential danger, whether you add humans in to the mix or not. The question is, what can you do if it is a natural cycle?
What do you think it means if it is natural and not man-caused?
That nature will do as she pleases. So have a contingency plan for worst case scenarios, place your faith in Christ Jesus and Him crucified, and deal with it. I don't see many other options.
But Jar once said, something to the effect of, even if it is a natural cycle, will it hurt to reduce emissions? He makes a very valid point. No, I don't think it would make it worse. Problem is, we have more pressing issues to deal with-- most notably, how to convert energy without fossil fuels to get us to point A to point Z, and everything in between, in the meantime?
Do you think we should just sit back and let it happen?
If it is not anthropogenically caused, what can you do?
Personally, I'm not convinced that global warming is man-caused. But it seems that unless we change some things, that we are only helping it get even hotter.
Provided the dinosaurs had the intelligence to understand it, could they have done something to ameliorate the cataclysmic ice age?
Coleman's argument is that Global Warming is not going to be devistating.
Reduce emissions... I'm sure it can't hurt. Recycle, even though it costs just as much energy to recycle than it does for them to start fresh. Don't pollute the waters or the earth. Be good stewards of the earth. And above all, respect nature and her power.
Beyond that, what should we be doing? The way I see it is that we have a lot of hard talkers with not a lot of follow through. How about the loudest put their money where their mouth is and get rid of their car, get rid of plastics, don't use electricity, etc, etc...
Because they aren't really saying anything so profound that would make themselves walk the talk.

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 13 of 124 (434663)
11-16-2007 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
11-16-2007 5:32 PM


Re: It doesn't matter if it is natural or man made.
Guess what?
What?
It does not matter one bit whether the warming trend is man made or perfectly natural.
No one cares.
It seems a lot of people do care, yourself included.
The fact is that the only parts we can influence are those parts that are man made. We cannot control those factors that are natural.
What then do you suggest we do? And of your suggestions, do you follow your own advice? Or is it a case of do as I say, not as I do?
If the warming trend is completely natural, the only way to address it is by reducing the man made contribution.
Okay.... How? What does that actually even mean? Does it mean, stop driving? Does it mean, stop using plastics? Does it mean, start recycling? Does it mean knitting your own grocery bags so as to not use paper or plastic bags? Does it mean, shut down factories? Does it mean, boycott fossil fuels? What does it mean in your opinion, to be Green?
The issue is simply will we actually try to address what is happening and minimize the economic, logistic, cultural and personal effects, or will we, like the current Administration and every Republican Administration since Ford, just stick our fingers in our ears and say "It's not SUVs!"
A good place to start would be the lier jet that Gore scuttles across the world upwards of a hundreds times a year to take him to Global Warming conventions, which expends the amount of energy that 1,000 SUV's would!
I'm beginning to think that you can't really win with the Greenies. In one instance the complaint of all Americans is that the price of gas is too high. But they won't allow drilling in Alaska, in an incredibly barren area, for fear that it might endanger the Arctic Lousewort.
I mean, Alaska is this nations largest state, which is almost half the size of the entire continental United States. That's a lot of land. I'm sure the Arctic Muskrat can figure out a way to get around the oil field.

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 18 of 124 (434683)
11-16-2007 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by crashfrog
11-16-2007 5:35 PM


Weather Channel founder calls Global Warming "a scam"
quote:
Meteorologist, John Coleman, founder of the Weather Channel, reportedly stated that Global Warming is the biggest scam in history
Except, you know, for the fact that it's getting warmer, globally.
Yes, but he contends, 1. That human introduced emissions aren't causing it, and 2. That the assertion that it will cause the earth in to a cataclysmic, downward spiral is hysteria.
It's not so surprising that he offers no evidence besides "I'm important; you should trust me. Besides I totally talked to some guys and read some papers."
Who says he hasn't? This is from a news source, however, they did provide a link to ICECAP which details the dissent in a dissertation-styled format.
Reputable in what way? Do you think there's a test you have to take before you can start a TV channel, or what?
He has meteorological experience to start with. Secondly, he's backed by a panel of other eminent climatologists.

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 23 of 124 (434715)
11-17-2007 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by crashfrog
11-16-2007 11:28 PM


Re: It doesn't matter if it is natural or man made.
What jet are you talking about? Gore flies commercial airlines. Everybody knows that.
Sure, in his sanctimonious flick he presents the meek face of philanthropy. Problem is, Gore, among other global warming touters, unfortunately have not practiced what they preach.
Can't respond to the rest now. I'll be gone for about a week. I'm taking a commercial jet to visit my family in a few hours.

“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

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