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JonF
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Message 22 of 35 (107391)
05-11-2004 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by almeyda
05-10-2004 11:56 PM


Re: ...
I recall reading that there was only found a few bone fragments and pieces here and there but was bloated in a transition of whales etc. The legs and arms were pure imagination if i recall.
Well, you don't recall correctly. You are 100% wrong.

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JonF
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Message 23 of 35 (107392)
05-11-2004 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by almeyda
05-11-2004 3:10 AM


What evidence? Whats been left behind?. Evolutionists believe they evolved so they must have had 2-3 toes etc. How can they prove or observe such claims? Besides imagination?..
Fossils. Lots and lots and lots of fossils.
Horse Evolution

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JonF
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Message 27 of 35 (107530)
05-11-2004 3:44 PM
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05-11-2004 1:44 PM


Re: Hunt's horse evolution page is a joke.
Here are two of the many papers that question her conclusion(s):
No Horse Evolution
You call that a paper? What a waste of time.
80% of it is dishonest quote-mines, especially the last one, which is a rather well known out-of-context quote. No references. The first original words on the page:
quote:
Traditional (Darwinian) view:
Moving up the stratigraphic column, fossils reveal a main line of evolution progressing continuously from Eohippus [hyracotherium] to Equus
is exactly what Hunt is not saying. There are some flat-out lies:
quote:
Bones of the supposed earliest horses have been found at or near the surface. Sometimes they are found right next to modern horse fossils.
(perhaps referring to the silly claim that Hyracotherium and Equus lived at the same time, debunked in Did Hyracotherium and Equus Live at the Same Time?)
The conclusions:
quote:
The series is made up of a probable non-horse and multiple varieties of true horses.
The many different types of horses are static and coexistent in the fossil record.
There is no macroevolutionary transition! The varieties come about by microevolutionary mechanisms.
There is no gradual phyletic transformation of horses in the fossil record!
are laughable. They have almost nothing to do with the rest of the page, and they derive only from the unsupported assertions of the page's author.
Ah, Sarfati. What a marooon.
Again heavy on the dishonest quote-mining, but at least with some references. Unfortunately, his major claims, such as:
quote:
Previous evolutionary theories would have asserted that because they all had high-crowned teeth, they must have been grazers. But the amounts of stable carbon isotopes 12C and 13C impregnated into the teeth indicated that the horses were browsers, not grazers.
The researchers also claimed that once hypsodonty evolved, it was impossible to return to having short-crowned teeth again. In a creationist model, this suggests that hypsodonty is a highly specialized condition, which has lost genetic information for any other sort of teeth.
are not referenced, they're just .. wait for it .. here it comes ... unsupported assertions!!
He makes the classic old "evolutionists think vestigial organs are non-functional" error, and builds a major portion of his argument on it.
His "discussion" of morphological similarities of legs is classic Sarfati; pure unsupported assertions, arrogant, and wrong.
Sylas requested that you post more of your own thoughts; I request that you think about what you are posting.
Is that enough of my own thoughts, Sylas?

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