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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Hi interrelation and welcome to EvC. I predict that you are going to have a hard time getting your *ahem* theory accepted here. Good luck.
They don't live too without purpose. Really? Prove it.
That is what I've found in my experiments and my theory. Ooh, experiments! And here I just thought you were making up half-baked nonsense off the top of your head and calling it a theory, but no - you have experiments! Do please share. I would love to see these experiments. By the way, communication here will be much easier if you use the dBCodes to make things like quote boxes, such as those above. You can get instructions for these and other features here; EvC Forum: dBCodes Mutate and Survive "The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Well you shot yourself in the foot in the first sentence;
quote: No. You don't prove a claim with a theory. You provide evidence for a claim with... well, evidence. Using your "theory" to prove your "theory" is circular logic and utterly redundant.
quote: I'm sorry, but this is laughable. You have proved nothing. All you have demonstrated is that plants grow towards light. We already knew that and any averagely well educated child of ten would know that too. We know why plants grow towards light and it has nothing to do with your "biotic presrvation mechanism". Here is a satircal version of what you are doing. The theory of gravity is wrong. In fact, magic pixies push objects towards other objects. I can prove this by experiment; watch an apple drop from a tree. If it falls toward the ground, then I have proved that pixies are pushing it. Thus, I have proved Newton and Einstein wrong and Pixie Theory correct. QED Do you see what you are doing? You are taking well known and well understood facts and adding unnecessary non-explanations to them. You already know the outcome of your "experiment", and you have tailored your explanation to suit it. That is not how science is supposed to work my friend.
quote: Don't give the rat cheese. Rats are not supposed to be eating cheese. It's not good for them. You seem to have gleaned your knowledge of biology from Tom and Jerry cartoons. Unlucky.
quote: Can I ask; have you actually performed this experiment? Or is it still just at the mental masturbation stage? Don't hit pet rats with sticks. In most countries, this would be considered criminal. Animal experiments which involve suffering on the part of the animal usually require a license. You don't have a license. Don't hit rats with sticks.
quote: Wow. You have proved that animals and plants attempt to stay alive. Pardon me if I don't call the Nobel prize committee just yet though. Plants and animals attempt to stay alive. We already knew this. There is simply no need to try and explain this through some hokey "mechanism". Indeed, you have demonstrated no such mechanism. How do we know that your "mechanism" is what's making the organisms respond this way? How do we know it isn't merely that they are acting in accordance with their instincts? How do we know it isn't magic pixies making them act this way? You haven't established cause and effect. Also, what is it about living things displaying a self-preservation instinct that you think runs counter to the Theory of Evolution? From where I'm sitting, it seems to coincide with the ToE quite-nicely-thank-you.
quote: No, those are just some fancy terms you have invented to describe the effect. You have nothing on the cause, nor have you challenged the ToE in any way.
quote: Okay, I'm going to be frank here. It will not come across as particularly friendly, but I consider it to be for your own good. The quoted comment above betrays just how ignorant of biology you are and just how far out of your depth you are. No-one would expect a lone rat in a box to evolve. No-one. Populations evolve, not individuals. You have badly, badly, badly misunderstood what the Theory of Evolution is saying. I'm not trying to be unkind here, but you have misunderstood it to the point where it's just laughable. I strongly suggest that you stop trying to impress people with your silly notions, go to a library and pick up a biology textbook. It's the only way you are going to learn anything. Right now, you are attempting to run before you can walk and you are only making yourself look foolish. No-one here or anywhere else is going to be impressed with your half-baked nonsense. People are just going to assume that you are a crackpot and not without reason. The only value your "theory" has is its comedy value. Sorry. Mutate and Survive. "The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
It gets worse...
quote: Then why did you say;
interrelation writes: Yeah, I've alreday proved it in my theory. Make up your mind.
quote: As you well know, I have not ignored your "evidence", I have addressed it in my previous post. It is seriously flawed and does not demonstrate what you seem to think it does.
quote: This comment is moronic. Suggesting that life is not important to the ToE only serves to further reveal your deep ignorance of biology (NB "biology" = the science of life).
quote: A theory is not a fact. You have blandly imposed your pet explanation on the facts. Here; FACT; Plants grow towards light.THEORY; This is because of the "biotic preservation mechanism". Plants will always grow towards light, that is true, but your pet "theory" is subject to alternative explanations. To say that it "will never change" is to place it outside of science. Science is always subject to possible change. Only crackpots insist that they are infallible.
quote: The ToE has clearly defined and observable mechanisms for producing diversity, unlike your waffling and hand-waving.
quote: Whoa there! You are a professional!? A professional what exactly? What are your academic qualifications? At which institution do you work? What professional bodies are you a member of? The answer, I suspect, is that you are not a professional scientist, merely a deluded egotist and crackpot, with no relevant professional status. For the record, I myself am merely a layperson, an amateur with an interest in science. I see no need to claim prestige that I do not deserve. I prefer to let my arguments speak for themselves.
quote: No. You have, at best, been seeing events which are compatible with the "BPM" explanation. Unless you are telling us that "BPM" is in some way visible, perhaps under a microscope, then you have not seen it. You have only seen events which may have been caused by it. This is a very important point and the fact that you don't seem to understand this simple distinction speaks your ignorance of the scientific method and gives the lie to your claims to be a "professional".
quote: You misunderstand. I mentioned the cheese, because rats should not be fed cheese. Read any book on pet care for rats and you will be able to confirm this. I only mention this to try and bring home to you just how litlle you seem to know about animals and to try and protect any rodents unfortunate enough to find themselves in your "care". DON'T FEED RATS ON NOTHING BUT CHEESE. RATS NEED A BALANCED DIET Seriously, you are trying to rewrite the whole science of biology and you don't even have the same level of expertise as a six-year-old looking after a pet rat. Pathetic.
quote: Oh dear. So, we now know that not only are you an ignorant and egotistical crackpot, but you are a cruel animal-abuser as well. Let me assure you, if you were in my country, I would already have alerted the authorities to your activities, which would be considered illegal as well as immoral. LEAVE THE ANIMAL EXPERIMENTS TO REAL SCIENTISTS. QUIT HITTING ANIMALS WITH STICKS. Worse is that you seem to think that just because animals run away when you hit them with a stick you have toppled the ToE. Moronic.
quote: Pathetically wrong once again. Organisms evolve with instinctive behaviours which encourage them to preserve their lives because; a) those behaviours are encoded in their genomes,b) an organism which doe snot seek to preserve its own life would not survive long enough to pass on its defective genes (natural selection). Seriously, this is easy, entry-level stuff. Any school child should be able to understand this. That you do not is shocking.
Granny writes: How do we know that your "mechanism" is what's making the organismsrespond this way? interrelation writes: Good question. We know it by test and experiment. In this, I've proved that I'm right. No. You are failing to understand once again. FACT; Plants grow towards light.THEORY; This is because of "BPM" But how do you rule that explanation in and rule these out; THEORY; This is because of genetic instructions in the plants genome. THEORY; This is because of magnetism. THEORY; This is because of magic pixies. etc. All of those explanations are just as compatible with the results of your experiment as your "BPM" explanation. You can propose any number of explanations for a phenomenon, what matters to scientists (you know, real scientists, not just crackpots) is separating the good explanations from the bad. This is done with evidence. You seem to be doing it with nothing more than wishful thinking. That's bad. That's why you're wrong. That's how I know you're lying when you insinuate that you are a scientist. The rest of your post is repetitious waffle or indecipherable gibberish and I have no desire to further waste my time with it. I will respond to this though;
quote: Simple. You are too ignorant and too arrogant to realise that you are wrong and that you are seriously out of your depth. You may think that I have been unnecessarily rude and abusive throughout this post. Indeed, I have been less than polite, but understand this; I am not going to mollycoddle you. Your ideas are ridiculous and you are deeply ignorant of the science you are seeking to overturn. To pretend otherwise or to act as though your output is deserving of anything more than scorn and ridicule would be to do you a disservice. You are deluding yourself if you think that you have anything useful to say and you need to snap out of it and stop wasting your life with this rubbish. Your "theory" is at best a waste of your time, at worst a symptom of mental illness. Grow up. You are not "the discoverer of this new theory"; that is self-aggrandising bullshit. You are merely yet another internet crackpot, the latest in a line of thousands of kooks. Give it up and go and educate yourself. Mutate and Survive Edited by Granny Magda, : No reason given. "A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Okay.
Since nothing in your post is even close to coherent and since you seem unable or unwilling to address what is being said to you, I will leave you to your delusions of grandeur. Clearly nothing I say will make the slightest impact on you and any further effort on my part to help you see through these delusions will be wasted effort. You appear to be beyond help. I can only reiterate my suggestion that you abandon your silly ideas and go and get an education and, perhaps, a psychiatric examination. Good luck in your endeavours. Mutate and Survive Edited by Granny Magda, : Typo. "A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod
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