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Coragyps
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Message 4 of 70 (73766)
12-17-2003 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rei
12-16-2003 6:41 PM


However, our chromosome 22 looks just like two of the ape chromosomes put together
Typo - it's our chromosome 2.

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Coragyps
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Message 20 of 70 (74614)
12-21-2003 9:10 PM
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12-21-2003 8:39 PM


Mutations providing "new information?" Glad to oblige. (Old-timers, you've seen this before, and I'm copying my own post from a previous thread.)
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Ref: Nature, vol 414, pp 305-308 (2001) - "Haemoglobin C protects against clinical Plasmodium falciparum malaria" , by D Modiano et al. It's not online, to my knowledge, except by paid subscription.
Normal human hemoglobin ("HbA") is coded for by DNA which reads, as the 16th through 18th positions of a certain gene, GAA. This codon tells a cell's protein factory to put the amino acid glutamate at the sixth spot along the peptide that will become the beta chain of your or my hemoglobin. However, in a large number of West Africans, particularly the Mossi of Burkina Faso, this speck of DNA reads AAA. The distribution of folks with this variant looks like a bull's-eye: lots of the gene in one area of Burkina Faso, and fewer and fewer people with it as you move away from that center. The distribution is consistent with the idea that one person had the mutation about a thousand years ago, and that it spread through his or her descendants since. (Most people weren't terribly mobile in that area until nearly modern times - at least until the slave trade started.)
Now this DNA change alters that sixth amino acid on the beta chain of hemoglobin to lysine, making HbC. Most people with hemoglobin C never know it - some have mild anemia, gallstones, or spleen problems. But Modiano's paper documents that Mossi children that have both genes for HbC are 7% as likely to develop malaria as their classmates who have boring old HbA. 7% as likely to get the disease that kills a couple of million kids in West Africa every year. And that's because their genome has the information to make a protein that has one amino acid that's different from the one in their neighbors, and in their ancestors, too, if you go back a ways. New information. Useful new information. (You will agree that being able to make two different proteins is "more information" than being able to make only one, won't you? Kids in the study that had the AC genotype - that had both HbA and HbC in their blood - had a 29% reduction in their chance of getting malaria.) New, useful, "information" from a mutation.
Now a footnote: if your DNA reads GUA instead of GAA in this position, you get a valine in position 6 and have sickle-cell trait - the result of a different mutated hemoglobin called HbS. This protects against malaria, too, but the side effects can be severe, including fatal, especially if you have both genes for HbS. This, too, is "new information" - a different protein is being made.

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Coragyps
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Message 28 of 70 (75051)
12-24-2003 7:46 PM
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12-23-2003 11:02 PM


But does this "new genetic information" result in speciation? or does this new information only remain within a specific "kind" or "species"?
This new information - how to make HbC in addition to HbA - doesn't change one species to another. Heck, standard-issue chimpanzee hemoglobin is identical to human HbA. The point is that over, say, 100,000 generations, with little changes like this one every now and again, it's possible to have an outcome where the final product isn't all that similar to the starting organism. Think wolf and Pekingnese - yes, that one had human help, for some inexplicable reason, but it wasn't near as long as 100,000 generations, and you must admit that the product doesn't much resemble the starting point.
And I am also unsure of what the mutation has exactly done to the genes of these people, were new genes actually added,
One "letter" of the DNA code in the starting gene changed, which changed one amino acid in the hemoglobin that the gene coded for. And this new, different hemoglobin does some things in the presence of malaria parasites that the original doesn't do.

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