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Author Topic:   When does microevolution turn into macroevolution?
Allopatrik
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Message 19 of 52 (395375)
04-16-2007 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Archer Opteryx
04-16-2007 1:07 AM


Re: Speciation vs 'Macro'
Creationists define 'macroevolution' as the earliest point in the process of divergence that cannot be observed by human beings.
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Natural Selection is not Evolution-- R.A. Fisher

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Allopatrik
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Message 49 of 52 (395716)
04-17-2007 3:17 PM
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04-17-2007 2:39 PM


Re: Not all gradual... but...
You might want to add this paper:
de Rosa R, JK Grenier, T Andreeva, CE Cook, A Adoutte, M Akam, SB Carroll and G Balavoine (1999). Hox genes in brachiopods and priapulids and protostome evolution. Nature 399: 772-7776
From the abstract:
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Understanding the early evolution of animal body plans requires knowledge both of metazoan phylogeny and of the genetic and developmental changes involved in the emergence of particular forms. Recent 18S ribosomal RNA phylogenies suggest a three-branched tree for the Bilateria comprising the deuterostomes and two great protostome clades, the lophotrochozoans1 and ecdysozoans2. Here, we show that the complement of Hox genes in critical protostome phyla reflects these phylogenetic relationships and reveals the early evolution of developmental regulatory potential in bilaterians. We have identified Hox genes that are shared by subsets of protostome phyla. These include a diverged pair of posterior (Abdominal-B -like) genes in both a brachiopod and a polychaete annelid, which supports the lophotrochozoan assemblage, and a distinct posterior Hox gene shared by a priapulid, a nematode and the arthropods, which supports the ecdysozoan clade. The ancestors of each of these two major protostome lineages had a minimum of eight to ten Hox genes. The major period of Hox gene expansion and diversification thus occurred before the radiation of each of the three great bilaterian clades.
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Allopatrik
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Message 52 of 52 (395735)
04-17-2007 5:13 PM
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04-17-2007 4:10 PM


Re: Not all gradual... but...
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I suspect that evolution at the level of Hox genes and larval development must have involved some radical departures. Some of those changes involved very few genes
Relatively few changes in Hox genes can have large phenotypic effects.
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So I want to assume that such macroevolution, if that was what it was, happened rapidly. Am I wrong in doing so?
I don't think you can assume it happened in just a few generations. Up to 1/3 of new mutations--regardless of selective value-- are lost to drift straight away. Those that do make it then have to become fixed in the population, which can take many generations, depending on selective value and population size.
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