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If Jesus is God then how can He say that we have to go through Him to get to God. Sounds stupid does it not?
Jesus never said that we have to go through him to get to God.
"I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Light. No one comes to the
FATHER except through me."
Jesus is a part of God, sort of Gods voice, a messenger. He is even described as being "The Word" in Genesis. Through Jesus you can get to the father, AKA the big guy upstairs.
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As to all the supernatural mumbo jumbo.
God has a hard enough time showing us His philosophy without having snakes, fish, angels and demons cluttering up reality and speaking to us.
If God wanted us to believe in such miracles then He would have left an irrefutable one for us to ponder. Wouldn’t you if you had the power? I think anyone would for the proof that so many search for.
I get really upset as to that side of what the average church goer beleives.
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God exists and if we are in His image, and we are, then all that He knows we can understand. He tells us this in Genesis. To be as Gods, knowing good and evil.
It is His desire to teach us. No mysteries allowed as lazy minded fundamentalists think.
You are absolutely right. People tend to mistake Maricles with Magic. God does not do magic, that is why he has not done something that is irrefutable. everything can be explained naturally. even a king must follow the rules of his own kingdom.
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“You will never get a group of people...particularly believers...to be able to prove God to you.”
You are correct here. There is only one proof and those that seek will find it. Ask and it shall be given, comes to mind.
I asked the right way and I have received. God is real but most Christians and others have no clue to His perfection and do not allow Him this fundamental characteristic.
They believe in a limited God where He has no limits.
Although in my bible study I have found hints that God must follow the rules of his kingdom (AKA the laws of physics) The above is also true. For every rule God has planned a loop hole. If you think about it with enough knowledge and resources nothing is impossible. God has planned each and every maricle he will ever do and invented a way to do it. he has infinite knowledge and infinite resources and has created the loop holes to make it work. this also means that anything he can do we can do given the same knowledge/resources.
It says in the bible Genesis 11:5 "But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, 'If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then
nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.'"
I don't however find where you get the idea that the God of the Bible is a "genocidal maniac". You talk as though you only read the book of genesis and maybe exodus. God always had a reason to do what he did in the bible. Really we were lucky he didn't just execute Adam and Eve for sinning in the first place. as for the flood he realizes his mistake in this and plans on destroying the world to make up for it because the world of that time was almost entirely evil. It was his punishment and his judgment on the world.
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“ 3) Having known these things, why do you keep picking on believers as if they were lab rats? I for one will not attempt to logically define God for in so doing, I limit my understanding of Him. It is not good for my belief.”
I do not (know these things) the way you do. If you cannot logically define God then how can anyone believe your illogical position. It is dumb to try to sell an illogical idea.
As to the Christian rats, I try to convert them to a God that is a winner and perfect.
Not the loser that the Bible portrays. A God that cannot get out of Heaven without flaws and evil. A God that brings this evil to earth and pits it against an innocent Eve. A God that has failed mankind and instead of killing only two in the beginning waits for millions to be on earth and then kills all but eight in a genocidal flood all in the name of Love.
The God of the Bible is not portrayed as a loser. He wiped out the worlds population in a massive flood. Get on his bad side and you better believe you wont be calling him a looser when you get a lightning bolt down your throat. God ALWAYS wins and will have the ultimate victory in the end times as described in revelation.
As for Eve and the snake, God did not introduce Satan into the world, Satan came in, God simply allowed him to come in expecting Eve to say "No, get away from me evil Satan." But she failed and sinned.
Also just think of what you are saying when you said he should have killed the first 2 instead of all those people. He gave EVERYONE a chance, if he had done what you said we wouldn't exist. Those evil people got what God believed they deserved, And because he did we can be here to make a choice ourselves. If he hadn't the faith would have been lost forever and no one would ever know God.
Anyway the point I'm trying to make is you need to understand the difference between a just God delivering his judgment and sentence upon a sinful people, and a "Genocidal Maniac" The God you are describing is the God of the Bible. A perfect, no limits, wants to bring heaven on earth God. But he has to punish those who are against him. But at the same time is gracious enough to forgive those who believe in his son, who he sent to be a savior for us because he loved us.