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Author Topic:   How does God make this justice happen?
Chiroptera
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Message 34 of 61 (458695)
03-01-2008 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Greatest I am
03-01-2008 5:10 PM


Re: Figurative sevens
It is not justice to let a killer go without some punishment.
Why not? Maybe you don't understand what justice is? Have you considered that?

...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

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Chiroptera
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Message 36 of 61 (458699)
03-01-2008 5:27 PM
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03-01-2008 5:24 PM


Re: Figurative sevens
Never.
I kind of figured.

...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

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Chiroptera
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Message 39 of 61 (458718)
03-01-2008 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Greatest I am
03-01-2008 5:29 PM


Re: Figurative sevens
What? Are you saying that you enjoy seeing people put to death? Dude, you're as sick as the Christian god!

...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

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Chiroptera
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Message 47 of 61 (458818)
03-02-2008 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Greatest I am
03-02-2008 9:25 AM


Re: Figurative sevens
You questioned my recognition of justice. I was reciprocating.
Oh. Then I am confused. To answer your original question, no I would not enjoy seeing other human beings killed for any reason. But I'm not sure what I enjoy or what I don't enjoy has anything to do with "justice."

...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

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Chiroptera
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Message 49 of 61 (458827)
03-02-2008 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Greatest I am
03-02-2008 11:49 AM


New subtitle.
According to the Cane and Able story God’s justice would say that we have to let the bombers go with just a mark on their forehead.
Why? What do Caine and Abel have to do with bombing a large building full of people?
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I think this strange and unjust.
Yes, you've expressed this opinion several times. I'm just trying to figure out why you think we should also share your opinions? I mean, you sound just like the evangelicals in assuming that your opinions are somehow the correct ones.
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Why would the God of the Bible think it just?
I dunno, but it sounds a lot better than giving Caine a lethal injection. But that's just my opinion.

...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

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Chiroptera
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Message 51 of 61 (458836)
03-02-2008 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Greatest I am
03-02-2008 12:00 PM


So you think it would be just for us to just mark the bombers and let them go. Right?
I'm not saying anything about "just" and "unjust". I'm just saying that I would have found this preferable to killing them.
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I do not.
Well, yeah, we know because you keep repeating it. However, you seem to have set yourself up as the arbiter of "justice," and I'm just point out how easy that is: anyone can set herself up as the arbiter of justice, and a lot of people do. I suspect that this world would get along much better if we didn't have so many self-styled arbiters of justice.

...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

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Chiroptera
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Message 54 of 61 (458852)
03-02-2008 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Taz
03-02-2008 1:12 PM


Re: New subtitle.
Just because the correct answer is in dispute doesn't mean there is no correct answer.
That is true. But what I'm saying in this instance is that if the correct answer is in dispute then one must provide a justification for why one's answer should be considered the correct one. That is pretty much the meaning of "in dispute" (or at least the practical consequence of "being in dispute.")
Of course, as I've indicated in previous posts, I do believe that in this case there is no correct answer. "Being in dispute" is one piece of evidence for this conclusion, but the entire argument is a bit more subtle.

...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

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Chiroptera
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Message 56 of 61 (458864)
03-02-2008 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Greatest I am
03-02-2008 1:46 PM


I'm still not sure what my "ideas of justice" or the reception those "ideas" would receive from a certain group of people have to do with anything that you are saying. You seem to be confirming that justice depends on who is doing the "receiving" -- that is justice is culturally dependent. So you seem to be saying that if Adam and Eve and their surviving children were all cool with the idea of Cain getting a mark and then being sent on his way, than that would be just.
Which is odd, because it appears that your rants against the Christian god (or at least against the evangelical fundamentalist Christian god) are based largely on his actions and decision violating your sense of justice. Basically, you are saying that you don't like the evangelical's god.
Okay, so why should the evangelicals care that you don't like what their god does or has done? Hell, I'm not even a Christian, and I don't even care whether or not you like what the evangelical's god allegedly did. I'm just asking why should any of us take your rant seriously?
Edited by Chiroptera, : Typos and rearranged first paragraph a bit.

...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

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