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sidelined
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Message 5 of 517 (423400)
09-21-2007 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by pbee
09-21-2007 6:07 PM


pbee
Two outstanding example can be observed when 700 years earlier, a prophet(Micah) foretold that the promised one would originate in the small town of Bethlehem in the land of Judah(Micah 5:2). Secondly, many centuries earlier, a prophecy recorded in (Daniel 9:25) pointed to the exact year when the Messiah was to arrive(29 CE). The fulfillment of these prophecies proved that Jesus was indeed the messiah.
let us check on those verses shall we? In Micah the verse is as follows
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.
Here we can see that the reference to Bethlehem states that the person coming out of Bethlehem shall, by the terms outlined in the prophecy, be ruler in Israel which,of course, Jesus never became.
As for the second verse,Daniel 9:25.
Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Could you explain which restoration and building of Jerusalem is referenced in the verse and what records you use in order to determine that it occurred? Indeed could you explain how many weeks are actually supposed to occur before his arrival { seven or threescore and two weeks {62 weeks} or do we sum them and arrive at 69 weeks?}
Further proof that Jesus was the Messiah came near the end of 29 CE. It was the year that Jesus went to John the Baptizer to get baptized. It was promised to John that he would identify the messiah and John saw that sign at Jesus’ baptism.
Let us take a look at the verses pertaining to this shall we?
In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
Now perhaps you could point out where he was promised that he would identify the Messiah? If you are referring to the prophet Esaias I cannot find him saying this. Indeed, it is convenient that the first time that Esaias is mentioned starts in Matthew. Not once in all the preceding books of the Bible is this prophet mentioned. So here we have an example of a self fulfilling storyline that fills in the needed authority figures in a bid to further lend credence to their beliefs.
The scriptures also say that after Jesus was baptized that the heavens were opened up, and John saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him and a voice from the heavens told him that Jesus was hi son(Matthew 3:16, 17). After seeing and hearing this, John had no doubt that Jesus was the messiah(John 1:32-34).
How is this anything more than opinion on the part of John the baptist? Oddly enough this is only witnessed by John and no other yet is taken at face value as undeniable. Why is this?
The fulfillment of Bible prophecies showed that Jesus was the promised Messiah. Furthermore, while it remains true that others performed miracles in that day, Jesus was the only one who effectively died for mankind.
You will have to do far better than this to even begin to make a case for your position pbee.
Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.

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