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NosyNed
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Message 49 of 185 (418366)
08-27-2007 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by riVeRraT
08-27-2007 4:00 PM


Not a good corner RR
RR, you have been more thoughtful than a large number of the creocrowd (of one form or another) we have here.
Give a thought to this:
I have wondered if the question of abiogenesis would have any progress made on it in my life time. I thought it would be a very difficult question to begin to touch. What was actually the case was me being ignorant of the work already done. I now have some hope that interesting, deep answers will be obtained in a decade or two.
But this means that you shouldn't paint yourself or your faith into this corner. The virulently anti knowledge crowd have started to focus more on abiogenesis and cosmology beyond the big bang in recent years. This is because the evidence in other areas has closed the gaps they used to fight in. They lost the age of the earth and evolution questions (though it will take a couple of decades or more before this sinks in and they become laughable fringes in the US just as they are in other contries).
It now appears that the abiogenesis gap may be starting to close just a little bit. You might want to think about what it means to have it closed.
The gap that you have left to head for is back there before the big bang. That one may well stay open for the life times of all of us on this site.
Once we have the enormous, dense energy of the big bang then we do, now, have a pretty good idea of "where we came from". The steps from there to us have gaps but the gaps are not so great and keep shrinking rapidly.

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NosyNed
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Message 59 of 185 (418621)
08-29-2007 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by riVeRraT
08-29-2007 7:57 AM


the creation of matter
Since, RR, you can't tell me why matter can't be created or destroyed it is obvious that you have no clue how a motor or air conditioning unit works. They involve moving matter around and deal with energy don't they?

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NosyNed
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Message 94 of 185 (418808)
08-30-2007 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by New Cat's Eye
08-30-2007 11:45 AM


Conflated Leggos
It might be more helpful CS if you pointed out that people are being careless with the definition of the "leggos".
I think some mean the atoms and some mean the molecules involved. Using those two different levels both "we did not create the leggos" and "we did create the leggos" can be correct.
ABE
Actually, on reading more carefully, I think you are making that point.
Edited by NosyNed, : clarification

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