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Topic: How did food evolve?
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WS-JW
Junior Member (Idle past 6140 days) Posts: 30 Joined: 06-04-2007
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Message 1 of 86 (403561)
06-04-2007 12:37 AM
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One thing i've not heard an answer to by evolution is where the food came from? Every creature needs food to finance it's energy usages. We humans have all the "keys" to open up all the different foods we eat and get the calories out. Thats how it works, on a lock/key kind of mechanism because burning the food won't get the calories out. how did all this food suddenly grow? This is a strong argument for design. These things need to be designed and won't arise by chance without a guiding hand over the lot. Isn't it also funny how alot of people enjoy eating food as God made a potentially annoying task of supplying ourselves energy and made it enjoyable? answers on the evolution point of view would be appriecieated.
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WS-JW
Junior Member (Idle past 6140 days) Posts: 30 Joined: 06-04-2007
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Message 15 of 86 (403707)
06-04-2007 9:33 PM
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crashfrog, "It's not that complex. It's just chemistry. Living things didn't evolve chemistry; they started as chemistry." This is a ridiculous statement, it's the same as typing on a keyboard randomly to get out a book. It isn't complex, it's just computing. Where did this chemisty come from? chance does nothing. No scientist would ever work on this basis. The American government doesn't work on this basis. You take a can of sardines with all it's proteins in it, if they though there was the slightest chance of you being poisioned by a new organism, they'd forbid all canning. Every knows that to get a machine, you have to have the know-how.
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WS-JW
Junior Member (Idle past 6140 days) Posts: 30 Joined: 06-04-2007
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Message 23 of 86 (403728)
06-04-2007 10:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by crashfrog 06-04-2007 10:33 PM
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"I guess you're completely unaware how many truly great inventions - vulcanized rubber, the telephone, spirits, vaccines, medicines, matches, the microwave, explosives - were invented by accident." I think you'll find these were CREATED by someone who knews how to make them. a pool of chemisty did not do it. we all know it couldn't. A machine is something with a purpose. Which don't arise by chance. You try it and see. If you think by shaking a pool or proteins, amino acids and all the rest of it, put some electrical currents in it that you'll get out a car, with the important parts correct down to a millimeter which they have to be, or a telephone, much less a human body with emotions that can think, feel love and pain, replicate, speak. You try teaching a man-made machine to speak. A scientists job is to find out what the purpose is in things. And if theres no purpose in the whole universe, theres no science. it's out.
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WS-JW
Junior Member (Idle past 6140 days) Posts: 30 Joined: 06-04-2007
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Message 26 of 86 (403742)
06-04-2007 11:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by crashfrog 06-04-2007 11:20 PM
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Your proving my point for me. I'm afraid your speech reader was programmed, coded up by a person. It didn't arise on it's own by chemisty randomness. How could it? it doesn't understand any english language. or any language for that matter. And the human body is a machine. your heart does a purposeful job of pumping blood around the body. We can replace them with man made ones to do the same job. it's a machine. same with the kidneys, but not as good of course. Liver poses a problem, such a super machine it is. God can though however, I don't feel so confident for you though with your billion year old primeval slime.
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WS-JW
Junior Member (Idle past 6140 days) Posts: 30 Joined: 06-04-2007
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Message 29 of 86 (403750)
06-04-2007 11:50 PM
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Teaching a machine to speak, not coding it. A baby does not know the english language until you speak to it and teach it. Try doing that to a computer. If you say the human body does not appear to have been designed I don't believe you. Most evolutionists even admit it looks like that. But they try to tell you that all design is a dillusion. The human body is incredible, and incredibly efficient and complex. Like food digestion for example. it wastes absolutley nothing. To have an efficient design you have to have a designer.
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WS-JW
Junior Member (Idle past 6140 days) Posts: 30 Joined: 06-04-2007
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Message 32 of 86 (403753)
06-04-2007 11:59 PM
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If you think a few minor flaws like that would mean it is not still mind bogglingly complex and efficient. Then your wrong. don't ask me that who created God question. He has always been there. Would you like to answer where time and matter came from?
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WS-JW
Junior Member (Idle past 6140 days) Posts: 30 Joined: 06-04-2007
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Message 34 of 86 (403755)
06-05-2007 12:06 AM
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Maybe in his wisdom he did it on purpose as he forsaw problems. Reasons you can't imagine or discuss/laugh about as you can't make a human. Now i'm not saying he did, I don't know. but little things like this don't pose a problem. If I build something incredible, then you find a scratch on it, it doesn't mean it's poorly designed, and now not incredible. and it CERTAINLY doesn't mean that because of this flaw I do not exist, and it came about by chance.
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WS-JW
Junior Member (Idle past 6140 days) Posts: 30 Joined: 06-04-2007
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Message 36 of 86 (403757)
06-05-2007 12:12 AM
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but a design all the same.
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WS-JW
Junior Member (Idle past 6140 days) Posts: 30 Joined: 06-04-2007
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Message 51 of 86 (404845)
06-10-2007 3:18 AM
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http://www.wildersmith.org - Media Library Evolution V Creation Is Man A Machine? These will help you my friends.
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WS-JW
Junior Member (Idle past 6140 days) Posts: 30 Joined: 06-04-2007
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Message 55 of 86 (405123)
06-11-2007 1:10 PM
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sorry for violating the rules in the previous posts. I hope this is classed as on topic: can anyone tell me if The God Delusion book by Richard Dawkins is a good read or not so good? And also Charles Darwin The Origin of Species? or is the Blind Watch Maker the best? Lithodid-Man: i'm glad you like the lectures, he's the best creationist scientist i know of. But I will take notes of your comments about the lecture you have watched about Whales. If you ever watch the two i pointed out I would appriciate your posts against it if you have time. "The Origin of Life" is a third one which explains about food and the digestive system. thank you for the happy birthday Admin
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