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Author Topic:   How accurate is the bible?
almeyda
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Message 30 of 62 (121797)
07-04-2004 7:00 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Kapyong
07-04-2004 4:11 AM


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The OT -
not very accurate at all.
Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon - almost certainly mythical. The United Monarchy almost certainly never existed - NO evidence for Solomon's temple has EVER been found.
Adam & Eve, Noah - mythical? The only reason there is no outside record of this is because it was so long ago. Before the flood!. Luckily God wrote down the beginning of the human race in Genesis. This goes also for Noah who played a huge part in the repopulation of mankind after the flood.
Moses - mythical?. No. He did pass down the codified set of laws, on Mt Sinai to the nation of Israel. Another man in the books of history.
Abraham - mythical?. The forefather of both the Jews and the Arabs, are you sure?. Seems like a denial of history in order to not believe in the Bible.
Joshua - The successor of Moses. The New Testament mentions his leading the Israelites into the promised land (Acts 7:45). Acts of course being the history of the early church.
David - David was the second and greatest king of Israel (1010-970BC). Whose dynasty ruled over Judah for over four hundred years.
Solomon - Solomon was the third and last king of united Israel, and reigned for 40years (970-930BC). He wrote Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, The Song of Solomon, Psalms 72 & 127 and over one thousand songs. Very much a man of history.
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The NT -
not very accurate.
Obvious myths like the rending of the veil, the darkness at noon, the dead walking, are of course not supported by archeology or history.
There are more than 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the NT. Adding over 10,000 Latin Vulgate and at least 9,300 other early versions we have around 24,000 copies of portions of the NT in existence. No other document of antiquity even begins to near such numbers and attestation. Iliad by Homer is second with just 643 manuscripts that still survive. To deny the historicity of the NT is to throw away all classical antiquity as no documents of the ancient period are as well attested bibliographically.
Caesars Gallic Wars composed between 58 and 50BC, have several extant MSS, but oldest one being some 900yrs later than Caesars day. Contrasted to the time of the NT since Jesus death. Of the 142 books of Roman History of Livy (59BC-AD17), only 35 survive. Of the 14 books of histories by Tacitus, only four and a half survive. The history of Thucydides (460-400BC) is known to us from 8 MSS, the earliest from 100AD, the same is true for History of Herodotus. Yet no classical scholar is in doubt just because the earliest MSS of their works are over 1,300 yrs later than the originals.
The New Testament however had 2 of the most important MSS complete written NT books within 300yrs after the N.T was completed. The number of manuscripts, of early translations, and of quotations from it from the oldest writers of the church is so large that it is practically certain that the true reading of every doubtful passage is preserved in some one or other of these ancient authorities. This can be said of no other ancient book in the world. Many scholars are satisfied that they posses substantially the true text of the principal Greek and Roman writers such as Sophcies, Thucydides, Cicero or Virgil. Yet our knowledge of their writings and evidence of existence depends on a mere handful of manuscripts whereas the NT is counted in the hundreds and even thosands. The Bible contains history like no other. From the beginning of the humanrace all the way to Jesus and early church history.

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almeyda
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Message 32 of 62 (121802)
07-04-2004 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Brian
07-04-2004 7:06 AM


Re: More circular reasoning.
hahaha. Well if thats your attitude of history then you will never know what happened. The Bible IS that history of the no-extra biblical accounts. Barely anything else surived due to the Bible being the only one cherished and accepted widely the most. Why do you think that is?. Because it was some stories some guy wrote?. No definately not. Because they were inspired. And without error. Circular reasoning???. So the manuscripts of other ancient texts arent circular? Why because its some guy not a religion?. You people are mighty confused if you believe the Bible is no historically accurate. If you think its because there is no other source of it happening then you just answered your own question. Gods word is the only source of all of history right from the beginning. And no archaeological discovery has ever disproved the Bible as being historical. And frequently approved it.

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