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Author Topic:   The Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly made
Refpunk
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Message 126 of 320 (416877)
08-18-2007 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
04-15-2007 11:46 PM


Again, since one cannot refute what he doesn't understand any more than one can refute the laws of physics if he doesn't understand them, then until unbelievers understand the endless correlations between Old and New Testaments, he cannot possibly claim that any human being wrote the bible. Volumes and volumes can be written and are written about the fulfilled prophecies, the OT shadow of the realities of God, and God's plan from the first word in Genesis to the last word in Revelation, and they still wouldn't cover all the correlations that the bible describes that fit perfectly into God's plan.

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Refpunk
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Message 128 of 320 (416884)
08-18-2007 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by jar
08-18-2007 10:56 AM


Re: Speaking as a believer.
(removed huge cut and paste from Hugh Ross, it can be read at the following link - unattributed cut and pastes are not allowed here, please make you point in your own words using links as backup.)
http://www.believers.org/hughross.htm
Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)”that chance = 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.
Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?
*The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:
Since the Messiah's ministry could conceivably begin in any one of about 5000 years, there is, then, one chance in about 5000 that his ministry could begin in 26 A.D.
Since the Messiah is God in human form, the possibility of his being killed is considerably low, say less than one chance in 10.
Relative to the second destruction of Jerusalem, this execution has roughly an even chance of occurring before or after that event, that is, one chance in 2.
Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 105.
For starters.
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Edited by AdminAsgara, : changed c&p to link

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Refpunk
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Message 130 of 320 (416897)
08-18-2007 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by jar
08-18-2007 11:05 AM


Re: Speaking as a believer.
All one needs to do is read the bible to see that those prophecies are supported by the bible. So once again, one can't refute something he doesn't understand or has not even read. So I won't even listen to people who don't even know what the bible says.

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Refpunk
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Message 131 of 320 (416899)
08-18-2007 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Taz
04-16-2007 12:52 AM


Re: Is there such a thing as "The Bible?"
And considering that those who think they understand biology but don't know WHY monkeys don't breed human descendants any more than humans breed monkey descendants, they're not even telling "half-truths." They're telling outright falsehoods.

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Refpunk
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Message 136 of 320 (416977)
08-18-2007 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by EighteenDelta
08-18-2007 8:08 PM


Re: Is there such a thing as "The Bible?"
Oh? So what does the theory of evolution claim? Or doesn't anyone know as can be seen in the thread trying to define the theory of evolution?
Where do evolutionists think that man came from?
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