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Author Topic:   Secularly Verifiable Evidence for Biblical Inerrancy
crashfrog
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Message 11 of 99 (152065)
10-22-2004 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by SirPimpsalot
10-22-2004 5:23 PM


But that's exactly what the Earth is doing, from an anthropological point of view.
But that's not your claim, now is it? You're not claiming that the Bible says things that are true if you look at them a certain way - you're claiming the Bible contains scientific facts.
Well, this isn't one of them. The Earth does not hang, in any scientific sense.
Spheres are circles.......
No, spheres are spheres. Circles are circles. To get pedantic about it, a sphere is a surface such that all points on the surface are equidistant from a center; a circle is the set of all points that are equidistant from a center and coplanar with that center.
If spheres were circles, the what would a cylinder be? And yes, ancient Hebrew has both a word for "circle" and a word for "sphere."
Every time I've heard the location of Eden referenced based on the Biblical location of it, it's been in north Africa........I've heard this claim from many varying sources, none of whom were using it as anything more as an FYI point (so they had no reason to distort facts).
Try reading your Bible:
quote:
10 A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers. 11 The name of the first is Pishon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 12 and the gold of that land is good; bdellium and onyx stone are there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Cush. 14 And the name of the third river is Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
The Tigris and Euphrates rivers are not in Africa; they're in the Middle East. I don't know what your FYI guys are basing their view on, but it's not the Bible.
.......as far as Noah's flood, see the glacial meltings........
Which didn't flood the Earth. Nor was an Ark constructed. I don't see how glacial meltwater proves your point, except in the loosest sense of "flood". You did, after all, make the claim that statements in the Bible were literal scientific facts.
Yeah, if you wanted, you can interpret the Bible so that it says whatever you want. Unsurprisingly, you can do this with any collection of statements in any language.

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crashfrog
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Message 74 of 99 (152313)
10-23-2004 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by SirPimpsalot
10-23-2004 7:31 AM


No, I'm making the claim that the Bible speaks scientific truth from an anthropological point of view..
That's not the claim you made in post 1:
quote:
I was wondering what everyone thought about portions in the Bible which can be used as objective evidence for its inerrancy. There are many instances in the Bible where scientific fact is spoken before science discovered them to be fact.......
You didn't open the topic to discuss things that could be true from an "anthropological point of view", whatever that means. (I would point out that since humans do science, all the findings of science are from an "anthropological point of view" anyway.) You opened the topic to discuss, and I quote, "objective evidence for its inerrancy."
So, which is it? Are the scientific facts in the Bible supposed to be objective or subjective? You seem to switch back and forth whenever it suits you.
So does English, but you ask the average guy on the street what shape the Earth is, he'll say "round" (which can define many non-spherical shapes) or "a circle".
Uh-huh. And you know this because you asked? Well, I call bullshit. Show me the survey that you're using to substantiate this point; I think you're making it up.
Yes, let's just ignore half the rivers mentioned because it's more convenient......
I ignored them because I've never heard of them, and don't know where they are.
Do you know where they are? Can you tell me, please?
not to mention that I'm sure aspects of those rivers have changed over the last several thousands of years.
What "change in aspect" would cause them to flow in a different continent, separated by two different seas? If the T and the E are in the Middle East, and the other two are in North Africa, you're looking at an Eden the size of China. Of course, you haven't even bothered to find out where any of those rivers actually are, now have you? It's enough, I suppose, that someone told you in passng that Eden was in North Africa, without supporting that contentious statement in any way.
Um, yeah, world wide floodings occured during the glacial meltings...........
No world-wide floodings have ever occured, ever. The existence of life on Earth right now proves that all floodings have been local since the dawn of life.
I'd say a lake turning into the black sea would fit ANYONE'S definition of "flood".........
A world-wide flood? Since that's what we were talking about.
but not others, such as "And God said, 'Let there be light', and there was light." How many different ways can that be interpretted?
Literally. God speaks light into being.
That's not what happened - for starters, there doesn't appear to be any God at all to do the speaking.

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crashfrog
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Message 75 of 99 (152314)
10-23-2004 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by SirPimpsalot
10-23-2004 10:25 AM


Knight, I can't find my copy of Manifold Time, but at least the latter is present there..........he use to work for NASA, if I'm not mistaken, and has multiple degrees.
In mathematics and engineering, not science.
He has no scientific journal output that I can find, however. He's not, unfortunately, in any way a scientist - just a science-minded writer.

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crashfrog
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Message 76 of 99 (152317)
10-23-2004 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by SirPimpsalot
10-23-2004 1:13 PM


Meaning, you cannot scientifically prove that miracles haven't occured.
Right. That's what it means to be "blatantly unscientific." That's how we determine what is scientific, and what is not - falsifiability. If it can't be falsified, then it isn't scientific.

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