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Asgara
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Message 17 of 77 (76917)
01-06-2004 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by blitz77
01-06-2004 8:41 PM


Re: A couple of small points
And just how did they type the supposed blood? From what I've read, the shroud was in a fire in 1532 in which the silver box it was kept in melted. If the melting point of silver is 961C, I'm sure it's well above the point at which proteins denature.
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When it comes down to it, no researcher has ever directly identified the image as originating from blood.
Walter McCrone, an expert in microanalysis, painting authentication and former member of STURP, opposes the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin based upon his objective application of true science. McCrone found that the image on the Shroud consisted of the paint pigments red ochre and vermillion in a collagen tempera medium, both of which were in common use in the thirteenth century and explained the presence of iron and protein. Through the use of x-ray diffraction, scanning electron microscopy and energy dispersive x-ray, mercury and sulfur were also detected which had previously been left out by other pro-authenticity researchers due to their ability to explain their presence. However, both substances were found in the pigments of the Middle Ages. Furthermore, McCrone identified the painting style as grisaille, which was common in the Middle Ages, and was able to recreate an image similar to the Shroud of Turin upon a linen cloth.

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Asgara
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Message 18 of 77 (76918)
01-06-2004 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by blitz77
01-06-2004 8:53 PM


LOL and you actually think the resolution on the shroud is such that you can see minting dates of faint imprints of coins?
From Barrie Schwortz, the official photographer for STURP
My personal opinion, based on my photographic experience and my close examination of the Shroud itself, is that the weave of the cloth is far too coarse to resolve the rather subtle and very tiny inscription on a dime sized ancient coin...What he (Filas) saw as inscriptions, I saw as random shapes and noise. Such is the subjective nature of image analysis. For these reasons however, I cannot accept these coin "inscriptions" as viable evidence of a first century Shroud "date"...I do not argue that there appears to be something on the eyes of the man of the Shroud, and it may well be coins or potshards, since they were used in some first century burial rituals, but I do not believe we can resolve coin inscriptions.

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Asgara
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Message 55 of 77 (78311)
01-13-2004 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by NosyNed
01-13-2004 10:14 PM


Re: A mistake???
http://www.freeinquiry.com/skeptic/shroud/as/hedges.html
article on C14 dating from ROBERT E. M. HEDGES
Domain Names, Web Hosting and Online Marketing Services | Network Solutions graph of C14 analysis
Domain Names, Web Hosting and Online Marketing Services | Network Solutions pictures of blood stains and paint pigments on linen
http://www.freeinquiry.com/...tic/shroud/as/schafersman.html
article by STEVEN D. SCHAFERSMAN
http://www.freeinquiry.com/skeptic/shroud/
just about every pro and/or con link concerning the shroud

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