Exodus Part Two: Population of the Exodus Group.

Many of us are Christian Creationists that support evolution. But even as Christians we know that the story of the Exodus is simply folktale and is not a realistic history.

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LOLWe believe the bible, but we value the Words GOD actually wrote higher than anything man wrote like the Bibles. We understand that there is not even one Bible, one set of books that all Christians accept, not just multiple translations but not even one uniform Canon. We understand that when a story in the Bible conflicts with the truth, as the Exodus story does, that we must accept the truth over the myth.

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Then God is not very bright or capable of keeping his story straight. It could be if God is Loki the Trickster and is just out to fool folk by then faking all the physical evidence available.But I don't happen to think that God is just some little trickster out to fool folk. Come on. There isn't even one Bible. And all of it was just written by Man, edited by men, compiled by men, redacted by men. Further it was men who made the various decisions about what books would be in the Bible and even there, they could not agree. The smallest Canon has only 5 books while the largest Canon has over eighty.And you are partially right, the Bible is nothing but a Map, it is not the Territory, and like any Map the wise traveler tests the Map against reality and where the Map is wrong, trusts the truth of reality, the actual Territory.The Exodus story as told in the Bible simply is not supported by the physical evidence.

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Exactly. If God is only Loki the Trickster, a liar and a cheat, then what you say could be true.But I do not worship a God that is only a liar and a trickster. How silly. Come on. If the Exodus was something that really happened it would leave physical evidence. That is why you use physical evidence to test the story's accuracy.GOD is by definition supernatural. Since GOD is not natural, you cannot use physical evidence to test for the existence of GOD.

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I do say it is the best I have. And the best availble evidence shows that the Exodus, like the Flood, never happened as described in the Bible. Too funny.So you are saying it's fine for God to lie and plant evidence because He never said He wouldn't.Okay. LOL Huh? Supposedly it was real people involved, real Hebrews and real Egyptians.Sorry, that is natural. Nonsense. We have LOTS of evidence from the period. We have actual letters and memos from folk living at the time that were in the area, and never noticed anything going on.What doesn't exist is any evidence of Hebrews living in Egypt at the time, that none of the things that would have HAD to have happened did. For example, none of the surrounding super powers of the day noticed that Egypt lost a Pharaoh or an Army. There was no rebuilding of materials supposedly lost such as horses, chariots, weapons.Physical events leave physical traces, and the Exodus like the Flood, like the Conquest of Canaan simply do not show up.

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Huh? Sorry, but events like that really would leave evidence. Huh? Come on. The other super powers were always invading Egypt. If they knew of a power vacuum they would certainly take advantage. Sorry, but don't try to peddle that chariot wheel here. We've all seen the videos, all seen the con man sideshows from folk like Ron Wyatt and all.But that is NOT the evidence I was talking about anyway.If Egypt lost its army, even just a large segment of the army, it would have had to replace that. There would have been orders going out to buy horses, to smithies for new spears and armor, to wheelwrights for wheels, chariot makers for chariots, and recruiting to replace lost staff.None of that evidence has been found to date.But that is simply additional evidence that refutes the Biblical tale. The facts are is that so far there is no evidence that there even was a large Hebrew population in Egypt in the first place.

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How?The things I mentioned all leave physical evidences, physical. They require mines to mine ore, foundries to smelt it, training facilities to train the new troops.The subject of this thread is another example. If there had been a large (>2 million) population of Hebrews in Egypt there would have been physical evidence.If that many people moved, it would leave physical evidence.None of that evidence, physical evidence, has been found.

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Well footprints would be unlikely, but if you move several million people over a rock surface, with their cattle, with their carts, yes, that would most definitely leave a trail. But there would also be other evidences that would be left. Several million folk moving as a group leave lots of evidence, they leave bodies of people and animals, they leave scat, they leave lost items, the leave broken items, they leave graffiti and wear in the rocks and passes as they go by.But there is also the other evidences. There is the issue, as I mentioned before, that there is NO evidence of the Hebrews even being in Egypt in such numbers in the first place.

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You're really reaching. Mental masturbation.Even the very act of "cleaning up" would leave evidence. In addition, it is impossible to "clean up" the very wear caused by a migration of several million people.Sure the possibility of a conspiracy has been considered, and like so many such alleged conspiracies, does not stand up to examination.

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Sorry, but that does not stand up to examination. While one person might be able to do a fair job as you describe, the history of tracking shows it is seldom effective. There are still things folk miss, still things that cannot be covered up. One good example is the wear on the rock surface.The area they were supposedly traveling through is not the desert sand dunes of the Sahara, it is a rocky waste. Just the wear on the rocks of a couple million folk passing through would leave evidence.

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The question is, what was the population of the Exodus Group and what evidence supports your estimate?

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Correct.Science works by making predictions. For example:If there was a Hebrew population of several millions in Egypt during the period there would be certain signs such as:

• broken religious objects or religious writings or graffiti.
• indications in homes such as wall paintings or religious layout.
• mention of such a people in official documents.

No such evidence exists.But, as you said, such evidence might have been covered up. Can we detect such things?Well, yes. For example we know of many such attempts to cover things and the attempts always leave evidence. We know for example when different Pharaohs tried to eliminate references to earlier Pharaohs.We also find lots of evidence in Middens, old trash dumps. Not really. Jack and the Bean Stalk makes big claims. Would you say it is accurate that a bean stalk could grow all the way up to a cloud that has a Giants Castle in it? You didn't forget it. The tale in the Bible never mentions it. That is the problem. There are zero such facts.

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So far you have offered no model of how it could be hidden.Nor have you addressed any of the other things in Message 96.

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You have been claiming that for years Buz. Is there any chance that some day you will actually present any of that alleged evidence?

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So once again, the Bottom Line on the Exodus is that you have NO evidence to present.This is the classic pattern of the Biblical Exodus supporters. They allege evidence but have NEVER presented any evidence that has stood up to examination.There is a pattern here, just as with the Biblical Creationists. Make claims but never supply support.

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