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Message 40 of 289 (68551)
11-22-2003 2:31 PM


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Your assumption of Biblical accounts to be myth exposes your bias against the Bible. The myth slander was created by christian hating atheists. No one can explain the sudden departure of Egypt from being a world power, except the Biblical account of the Exodus. But this can't be because it violates your starting position that the Bible is wrong.

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Message 125 of 289 (112696)
06-03-2004 9:50 PM


The Exodus Fact: 1453 BC
The Bible generally places the Red Sea Exodus at around 1400-50 BC.
This is corroborated by the Pyramid, which dates the Exodus at precisely 1453 BC.
"Ages in Chaos"/Velikovsky dates the Exodus at circa 1445 BC.
Velikovsky used Egyptian accounts of the Exodus/plagues to date the Exodus.
Velikovsky was an agnostic Jew. His research as we know caused upheaval. I consider him extremely objective. OTOH, there are dripping with bias much respected archaeologists like Finkelstein whom I am sure you admire.
My point is that I have provided 2 corroborative sources confirming a circa 1450 BC Exodus.
NOBODY can change the fact that the Pyramid's descending passage and scored line extensions identify a beginning immutable benchmark date.
That descending passage extended out into space directly hits the Dragon Star/North Star.
The scored line extended out into space directly hits Alcyone. This only happened in 2141 BC.
From 2141BC to the point where the first ascending passage begins is 1453 BC. It cannot be changed or refuted. If you care to look at the evidence it is irrefuteable.
The symbolism of the interior passages and its message perfectly reflects the claims of the Bible, not to mention Isaiah 19:19, 20 and its numeric value equaling the height of the Pyramid.
Every scholar, including Dr. Scott, laughed at this evidence when they first heard about it, but every book written on the Pyramid was subsequently written by these same persons in favor of the claims.
There is no way around it - the Exodus happened in 1453 BC, which means the Conquest began in 1413 BC, which means the second wave of archaeologists are biased against the Bible and/or mistaken and/or wrong and/or lying.
Here is the diagram of the interior passages of the Great Pyramid.
http://www.gizapyramid.com/map20.jpg
It is the claim of this post to say that this passage system perfectly symbolizes the claims of the Bible.
It is the claim of this post that the Great Pyramid corroborates the written claims of scripture. This corroboration confirms the Bible to be true, confirms the greatest proof of God's existence.
The passageways in the Pyramid cannot be altered or changed, this eliminates the criticism that the written record cannot be independantly confirmed.
Isaiah 19:19,20 is the verse of scripture that identifies the Great Pyramid to be God's creation.
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Isaiah 19
19 In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
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This verse, in the original hebrew contains 30 words. Hebrew letters have numeric value, hence, each word totals the amount of its letters.
When you add up the TOTAL numeric value of each letter in the 30 words it comes to a grand total of 5449.
The Pyramid is exactly 5,449 sacred inches in height from the base to the Summit Platform.
What's a "sacred inch" ?
It is exactly 1/500,000,000 of the Earth's polar diameter. In other words, the distance between the center polar axis north to center polar axis south.
If you split a human hair in half - that is the difference between the British inch and the Sacred inch.
Notice the Isaiah verse says that this altar and pillar stands in the middle and border of Egypt.
Egypt is the only country in the world where you can be in the center of Egypt and at the border. This is so because at the exact location of the Pyramid is the Nile-Delta Quadrant, which is the border of Upper and Lower Egypt AND it is the center of all Egypt.
Refer back to the diagram.
Position 1 and the long descending passage - if you extend that line out into space......
Position 4 represents what are called "scored lines" etched into the roof of the passageway. If you take that line and extend it into space......
According to Royal Astronomer Sir John Herschel; in the 22nd century B.C. the North Star Draconis (Dragon Star) was perfectly aligned to shine its light down the passageway. Also in the same year, the line extended from the scored lines intersected with the principal star in the cluster Pleiades - that star was Alcyone, which is called by God in the Book of Job "sweet influences" (38:31).
These two intersections become an inalterable benchmark in time. The only time that these two stars were lined up as previously described was in 2141 B.C.
This date becomes the starting point of a prophetic chronograph.
What happens when you assign an inch for a year ?
Measure the inches from the scored lines (Position 4) to Position 5, which is where the first ascending passage begins and we arrive at 1453 B.C.
Now we know the exact year of the Exodus out of Egypt. But, originally you could not start ascending upwards because there was a granite plug in the way.
Measure the inches between Position 5 and Position 7 where the Grand Gallery begins and we come to 33 A.D. (remember 1 inch equals 1 year)
Now Let Me Interpret:
Mankind under the influence of Satan/Dragon Star is on a downward path to the pit/hell. But God is sweet and gracious and He intercedes via the Hebrews and Moses Law. This intercession has man escaping the downward direction of the Dragon through Law, which is perfectly symbolized by the first ascending passage of having to stoop under the rigors of law. The granite plug symbolizes that the ascension under law could not begin without the miracle of the Red Sea parting. This ascension under Law ends when the Grand Gallery begins with the death of Christ. The Grand Gallery is the age of the Church and grace.
Man can now walk upright free from Law and its unbending terror.
This is what the Bible teaches. So does the Pyramid.
Notice that the Well Shaft (Position 17) extends from just above the pit to the beginning of the Grand Galley. This symbolizes the Resurrection of Christ, meaning the only thing that can save you from the pit/hell is the grace of God originating from the Grand Gallery of Grace.
This post is just a minute sample of the greatest wonder in the world. Many Egyptologists won't even look at this evidence. They just assume because the Pyramid is in Egypt makes it the creation of Egyptians. Did the Egyptians build the Suez Canal ? Of course not!
Dr. Scott said that he first thought that this was all nonsense - until he looked at the evidence. His scholarship in the subject got noticed by the estate of the greatest Pyramid researcher of all time - James Rutherford, which bequeathed his entire library to Dr. Scott upon the death of Rutherford's wife.
Dr. Scott: There are too many "coincidences", one must conclude at some point that they are not coincidences. The Pyramid is God's witness to this scientific generation who rejects His written word.
Source for this post:
The Great Pyramid Decoded
author: E. Raymond Capt M.A.,A.I.A.,F.S.A.,SCOT
If you want to look at the evidence then go to:
http://www.drgenescott.com/thearchives.htm THEN click on "subjects" THEN click on "mysteries" THEN click on "The Pyramid". Your Real Player capabilities will enable picture and sound access to any of the following teachings.
S-977 WebTV 12/17/81 An Introduction to the Great Pyramid - The Genesis of Genesis
S-1055 WebTV 4/18/82 The Great Pyramid: Determining Dates Before the Flood
S-1078 WebTV 5/29/88 The Great Pyramid: Was Christ Born on October 4, 4 BC?
S-1136 WebTV 9/3/82 A Summary of The Movements of The Ten Tribes; Pyramid (Ezekiel 36)
S-1522 WebTV 2/16/84 The Great Pyramid: Keys to The Time Capsule
VF-391 WebTV 8/12/84 Christ Revealed in The Feasts and in The Great Pyramid
S-1805 WebTV 10/1/84 Pyramid Review & Atlantis
S-3060 WebTV 6/23/89 Introduction To The Pyramid, continued; Overview of The Inner Passage
S-4410 WebTV 7/2/96 Overview of The Great Pyramid
S-4411 WebTV 7/3/96 Fingerprints of The Gods: Pyramids & The Canopy Theory

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Message 127 of 289 (112703)
06-03-2004 10:10 PM
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06-03-2004 10:01 PM


Re: The Exodus Fact: 1453 BC
As you say, but, isn't THIS topic about an alleged Exodus myth ?
This is why I posted contrary evidence here.
Rei thinks he is cute, well, I am equally cute.
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Message 128 of 289 (112704)
06-03-2004 10:14 PM
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Re: The Exodus Fact: 1453 BC
PERCY:
The first three links you provide are a mystery to me - what is the relevance here. Is there a mistake here. I am confused.

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Message 130 of 289 (112706)
06-03-2004 10:24 PM
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Re: The Exodus Fact: 1453 BC
Oh I see your point, that makes total sense not to have three subjects being simultaneously discussed in three different topics.
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Message 134 of 289 (112715)
06-04-2004 12:17 AM
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06-03-2004 11:51 PM


Buzsaw:
This is what Jar always says when he disagrees with what you said. This is his way of insulting your evidence - to act like none was given. This deflects away from his inability to refute.

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Message 135 of 289 (112720)
06-04-2004 12:34 AM
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06-04-2004 12:17 AM


Evidence: pieces of proof supporting a claimed fact.

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Message 146 of 289 (112830)
06-04-2004 4:31 PM
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06-04-2004 10:11 AM


Re: The Exodus Fact: 1453 BC
Jon:
Everyone knows Velikovsky was hated by the establishment. You need to offer some specific evidence against the specific evidence of his Exodus dating.
I have combined the Bible's claim with the Pyramid and Velikovsky.
This is a unit of three.
I guess all you can do now is to make jokes about the Pyramid which still leaves its evidence intac and not refuted. Every book ever written about the Pyramid claims was written by people who first initially laughed.
Why is it that the vast majority of pre 1400's BC Exodus are persons who have an anti Bible and supernatural worldview ?

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Message 159 of 289 (112941)
06-05-2004 6:32 PM
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06-04-2004 2:28 PM


Re: The Exodus--WHERE it really happened.
Even though I am responding to Abshalom's post I am asking anyone, Brian, or Buzsaw:
How does the Aaqaba site make any sense at all for at least 2 million Hebrews to march across Sinai and then get trapped by a pursuing Pharoah ?
Abshalom's post makes the most sense to me, and besides the Pyramid is in line with Abshalom's contention.

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Message 161 of 289 (112947)
06-05-2004 7:02 PM
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Re: The Exodus--WHERE it really happened.
quote:
BRIAN: They arrived at the edge of the desert, just before leaving the eastern border of Egypt, and then they turned back (v.7). The real killer is the claim that they crossed the sea, then travelled for three days before arriving at the Red Sea. Of course, this keeps getting ignored.
Hi Brian:
Who is making this claim and why ?
Thanks,
WT

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Message 191 of 289 (113332)
06-07-2004 2:37 PM
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06-07-2004 11:07 AM


Buzsaw:
Suppose you are correct. Suppose there are some chariot wheels from the 18th dynasty in the location.
This still doesn't prove that they are from the Exodus ?
How did 2 1/4 million people travel across Sinai for their miracle deliverance ? Some chariot wheels at Aqaba prove this ?
Brian is absolutely correct in citing Numbers and Israel's whereabouts.

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Message 196 of 289 (113417)
06-07-2004 10:19 PM
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06-07-2004 4:55 AM


Re: There comes a time to be honest with yourself
Numbers 1:1
Now the LORD spoke to Moses in the Wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of meeting, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying: all who were numbered were six hundred and three thousand five hundred and fifty.
Numbers 1:45,46
So all who were numbered of the children of Israel, by their fathers' houses, from twenty years old and above, all who were able to go to war in Israel-- all who were numbered were six hundred and three thousand five hundred and fifty.
In the second year out of Egypt there were 603,550 males able to go to war in Israel. This obviously doesn't count the elderly, women, and persons 19 and under.
This quotation is from the NewKJV.
But every other version listed in Bible Gateway says the same.
All the translations say 603,550 males able to go to war in the second year since coming out of Egypt.
This means there were a little less/little more ? the year before when they departed Egpyt.
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Message 198 of 289 (113420)
06-07-2004 10:28 PM
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quote:
PERCY: You can raise all kinds of legitimate issues regarding why the evidence isn't accessible, but science contains no special dispensations for inaccessible evidence.
Percy:
Does this "no special dispensations" include alleged human origins evidence inaccessible beneath the Earth's crust ?

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Message 199 of 289 (113422)
06-07-2004 10:29 PM
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Re: There comes a time to be honest with yourself
Jar:
What is the source for this belief ?
Or is it purely subjective ?

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Message 202 of 289 (113447)
06-07-2004 11:21 PM
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Re: There comes a time to be honest with yourself
Thanks for your explanation - thats all I wanted.
Jar:
Is there any evidence of Egypt(ians) hating shepards ?

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