This is what I posted on that forum.
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Nope. The passage refers to one that would establish a government:
Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Jesus didn't do this. There is no government of Jesus.
"It also describes the conquests of the Messiah:
Isaiah 9:1: Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.
Jesus didn't do this, either.
Yes, Isaiah foretells a Messiah.
But Jesus does not fulfill the prophecy.
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The Bible Talks about JESUS AS KING.
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BIBLICAL PROPHECY FORETOLD THAT JESUS WOULD BE KING.
ISAIAH 9:7 "Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no
end, upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, to order it and
establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."
LUKE 1:32 "He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and
the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David."
ACTS 2:30 "Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with
an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He
would raise up the Christ to sit on his (David's) throne,..."
(There will be an earthly kingdom, a government, and Jesus will sit on
David's throne.
JESUS ANNOUNCED HIS KINGSHIP WHEN HE ENTERED JERUSALEM AS KING ACCORDING TO
ZECHARIAH'S PROPHECY.
Zechariah 9:9 "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of
Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having
salvation, lowly and riding on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey."
MATTHEW 21:5 "Tell the daughter of Zion, 'Behold, your King is coming to
you, lowly, and sitting on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey.' "
THE PEOPLE RECOGNIZED THAT JESUS WAS OF THE LINE OF DAVID AND QUALIFIED TO
BE KING. ALL ISRAEL KEPT GENEALOGICAL (FAMILY) RECORDS.
1 CHRONICLES 9:1 "So all Israel was recorded by genealogies,...."
MATTHEW 9:27 "When Jesus departed from there, two blind men followed
Him,crying out and saying, "Son of David, have mercy on us!"
MATTHEW 12:23 "And all the multitudes were amazed and said, "Could this be
the Son of David?"
BUT FOR JESUS TO BE KING, A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE FAMILY LINE HAD TO BE
RESOLVED.
THE PROBLEM:
1. Christ must be born of a virgin.
2. Christ must have the legal right to David's throne.
3. Christ must be of the fruit of David's body.
But there was a complication:
Jeconiah, an evil man and in David's line, was told that none of his
descendants were to rule in Judah. Then how was Christ, following in
David's line, to be a ruling king since the right to
the throne was only through the male line?
WITH GOD NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE:
1. Christ was born of the virgin Mary.
2. The legal right to David's throne came through Joseph, husband of Mary,
step-father to Jesus.
3. Jesus was of the fruit of David's body through Mary. Mary was of the
line of David through Nathan. So Mary was in David's line.
So Jesus had the legal right to the throne through Joseph and was of the
fruit of David through Mary. The marriage of Joseph and Mary was
essentialand necessary for all requirements to be met for Jesus to be king.
THIS SOLUTION ALSO SATISFIED GOD'S PROMISE TO DAVID:
PSALM 132:11 The LORD has sworn in truth to David; He will not turn from
it: "I will set upon your throne the fruit of your body."
ALTHOUGH JESUS IS KING, HE IS NOT YET A RULING KING.
MARK 16:19 "So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up
into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God."
(Jesus is at God's right hand, not on the throne. So Jesus is not yet a
reigning King).
AT THE PRESENT TIME JESUS IS IN HEAVEN AS OUR PRIEST AND MEDIATOR.
(See BT# 55, "Our Mediator.")
JESUS WAS A PROPHET ON EARTH, NOW A PRIEST IN HEAVEN, AND WILL SOON BE A
KING ON EARTH. (See BT# 36, "The Millenium."
ISAIAH 9:6 "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the
government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful,
Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
ISAIAH 11:4 "....but with righteousness He shall judge the poor, and decide
with equity for the meek of the earth; He shall strike the earth with the
rod of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked."
MICAH 4:3 "He shall judge between many peoples, and rebuke strong nations
afar off; they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears
into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither
shall they learn war any more."
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(Above quote from eztech.com)
I think that thoroughly explains it, Jesus is to reign as a government king on earth. That part of the prophecy is soon to come during end times. Many think the prophecy foretells of Hezziekah the king. First of all he wouldn't be referred to with such titles of everlasting father or mighty God, secondly his reign was limited to Judah. Verse 7 shows that It can't be Hezziekah just by the description of the reign.
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Care to try to refute this?
[This message has been edited by messenjaH, 09-27-2003]
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