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Author Topic:   Why must we believe *before* we die?
nator
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Message 21 of 302 (244450)
09-17-2005 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Parasomnium
09-16-2005 9:40 AM


Anyone ever seen the film The Rapture?
It has an interesting take on just this issue.

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nator
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Message 26 of 302 (244572)
09-18-2005 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by mick
09-17-2005 8:48 PM


Re: Some remarks.
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My best guess is that people get the God they deserve. Vindictive, childish and selfish people get a vindictive, childish and selfish God.
Jar gets a God specially for himself.
Cool.
I'm going to get a nerdy God.

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nator
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Message 178 of 302 (248573)
10-03-2005 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by riVeRraT
10-03-2005 7:03 AM


Re: Late comer
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I am a believer, as you know, but my faith was only made full after I had an experience with the Holy Spirit. Before that, I had choose to accept Jesus on faith, and because I thought things I was reading in the bible, were starting to make sense to me.
Are you saying that you believe based upon something other than faith?
Something in addition to faith?
quote:
being surrounded by non-believers who are angry at God, etc.
1) The above is self-contradictory.
You can't be angry at something you don't believe exists.
2) Where is this place where one is "surrounded" by non-believers?

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nator
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Message 180 of 302 (248607)
10-03-2005 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by robinrohan
10-03-2005 3:36 PM


Re: Late comer
I guess Paul was a good guy.
quote:
Yes, very good.
...except if you are a woman.
Paul doesn't like women very much.
...oh, and if you are a homosexual.
Paul REALLY hates homosexuals.

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nator
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Message 185 of 302 (248624)
10-03-2005 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by riVeRraT
10-03-2005 4:12 PM


Re: Late comer
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I feel a physical manifectation of the Holy Spirit when he ministers to me. My body feels like it is plugged into an electric socket, but in a good way, almost orgasmic. Of course people will think I am crazy, or there is something else is wrong with me, and it is my own brain making me feel like that for one mental reason or another.
Do you believe is it possible for people's emotional states to produce physical sensations?
Additionally, do you believe that these physical responses can be encouraged and/or learned through practice?
Lastly, is it possible for a person to be fooled into thinking that a physical sensation is caused by one thing but that it is self-caused?
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But the timing of those feelings have been "tested" by myself, and they can make no sense sometimes, and have nothing to do with what I think is God. Sometimes he is just nudging me to do something, and when I ask, I get an answer, in my thoughts (no voices in head). Of course I was never told to ride a comet, or kill someone.
You haven't tested anything.
You have already decided that those feelings you get are to be ascrbed to God, and you just look around for anything happening in your life and say "oh, right, so THAT'S what that feeling was about.
Well, there's always something difficult going on in people's lives.
If there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the timing of these feelings, why do you ascribe them to anything at all?
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I stand corrected, let me rephrase that please. The 2 should be separated, non-believers, and people who are angry at God, and choose not to follow him, and tend to teach that, or impose that to others.
OK
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There are many here in this forum who do that. Which is fine, that is there freedom, thats what makes this America. But it doesn't give God a fair chance sometimes. What do I know.
God created the entire universe. Why does he need any help?
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I could say that I was for the most part surrounded by non-believers, or unbelievers? my whole life.
Really? You were surrounded by people who all called themselves Athiests? Parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, friends, teachers, neighbors?
All atheists?
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What I see now that I actually go to a church, and I am surrounded by all kinds of Christians, is young people who grow up in a Spirit filled Christian household, and come to know the Lord at an early age.
That's called "cultural religious training", rat.
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I get amazed at the youth when the are able to discern for themselves if there is a God or not, at an early age. I wasn't able to.
They have so much cultural indoctrination and reinforcement to believe, why wouldn't they?
It clearly is expected of them, and it would greatly displease their parents to believe otherwise, and other faiths or non-belief is greatly feared and discouraged in the social environment, so why is it a surprise that the kids come out believing?
Almost all little kids in the US are taught to believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny, too, but are expected to grow out of it.

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