Well, in your first scenario, you said ALL of our loved ones would be there. I guess you lied about that since only loved ones who believe the same thing as YOU will be there, right? Why would my dad be a shellfish? He wasn't a shellfish in life.

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Message 174 of 296 (587010)
10-16-2010 9:56 AM

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10-16-2010 9:54 AM

So your eternally blissful happy place isn't really such, is it? It is only for people who have the same invisible homey, right? My mom is a JW, does she get to come? My aunt, the mormon, will she be there?

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Message 177 of 296 (587018)
10-16-2010 10:49 AM

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10-16-2010 10:42 AM

So, each eternal afterlife is an individual experience? A figment of your imagination? It is whatever you want it to be? I could have sworn you were a christian......

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 198 of 296 (587058)
10-16-2010 4:54 PM

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10-16-2010 2:59 PM

Re: Eternal Life In The Biblical Heaven Good; Biblical Alternative Bad

All of those scenarios you presented are vastly subjective. What you think is good to eat, I may find atrocious. What you find blissful may give me a splitting headache. What you find to be a perfect environment may make me gag or hurt my eyes. I guess I would ask you the same thing I asked B-D: is there one heaven for all or do we each get our own whatever-we-want/whatever-makes-us-happy heaven? If it's the latter: then, my friend, that sounds like an utter pipe dream.

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Message 203 of 296 (587070)
10-16-2010 6:57 PM

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Re: Eternal Life In The Biblical Heaven Good; Biblical Alternative Bad

When one becomes born of the Holy Spirit, i.e spiritually born at conversion one becomes a new creature, according to the apostles..

What passage are you referring to?

As we do this we become what is described as "one mind,"

This "one mind" appeals to you? You WANT to be just like everyone else? The people in your eternal happy place are not unique unto themselves? How is this at all appealing?

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Message 205 of 296 (587083)
10-16-2010 8:43 PM

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10-16-2010 8:10 PM

Re: Eternal Life In The Biblical Heaven Good; Biblical Alternative Bad

Skipping over hooah212002's request for textual citation since it is largely irrelevant,

How is it irrelevant? Buz is basing his idea of an afterlife off of what is written in his holy-book. I just want to see whether or not he is really doing so, or making it up. Part of the reason I chose to call him out on this was his usage of "becomes a new creature". It seems a bit peculiar. When one is referring to a soul or spirit, you don't normally associate them with the term "creature" (or maybe that's just me). It, IMO, seems as though Buz is referring to some actual physical transformation a person goes through upon "trve" salvation. I would have to again ask for validity or evidence of someone going through this transformation (although, that would obviously be for a different thread if he so chose to pursue it).

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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