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Author Topic:   Eternal Life (thanks, but no thanks)
Aware Wolf
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Message 131 of 296 (522043)
08-31-2009 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by iano
02-10-2009 7:53 AM


Re: Choosing to be unable to choose ... for sin.
iano writes:
I wouldn't concern myself about spending an eternity with God whilst currently loved ones perish in hell. That which makes a person attractive and good and worthwhile and loveable is the image of God in which they are made: God is good and worthwhile and attractive and loveable. That image will be removed from the person before they are cast into the pit. All that will remain attaching to them is the horror of their evil. There would be nothing about them to love anymore.
Oh, well, in that case, let the sonuvabitches burn.
Edited by Aware Wolf, : spelling

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Aware Wolf
Member (Idle past 1449 days)
Posts: 156
From: New Hampshire, USA
Joined: 02-13-2009


Message 137 of 296 (522126)
09-01-2009 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by iano
09-01-2009 7:49 AM


Re: Choosing to be unable to choose ... for sin.
Aware Wolf writes:
Oh, well, in that case, let the sonuvabitches burn.
iano writes:
They will. But in the meantime the instruction is to tell them that they don't have to.
But why? Seems to be six in one half dozen in the other, since if they end up in Hell, I'll end up considering that to be appropriate. As long as I get mine, what's the difference?
Edited by Aware Wolf, : grammar

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Aware Wolf
Member (Idle past 1449 days)
Posts: 156
From: New Hampshire, USA
Joined: 02-13-2009


Message 139 of 296 (522313)
09-02-2009 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by iano
09-02-2009 11:06 AM


Re: Choosing to be unable to choose ... for sin.
It seems like you are trying to have it both ways, although I will admit I am making some assumptions about your position to reach that conclusion; maybe you can set me straight. Let me re-post your paragraph from message XYZ:
iono writes:
I wouldn't concern myself about spending an eternity with God whilst currently loved ones perish in hell. That which makes a person attractive and good and worthwhile and loveable is the image of God in which they are made: God is good and worthwhile and attractive and loveable. That image will be removed from the person before they are cast into the pit. All that will remain attaching to them is the horror of their evil. There would be nothing about them to love anymore.
I take this to mean that you believe that we will not feel regret or sorrow or any other negative emotion from the fact that our (previous) loved ones are in Hell. I further assume that you believe that this is because there truly is no basis to feel those emotions, as opposed to God having taken away our memories or something similar.
OK, if my assumptions of your position are wrong, I apologize and you can ignore the rest of my post.
However, if this is your position, then I believe you ARE trying to have it both ways. If our heavenly selves know that there is nothing regrettable or sad about loved ones in Hell, then why should our present selves think any different?
To look at it from the other angle: if we presently SHOULD want our loved ones to surrender to God and avoid Hell, then that means that their being in Heaven is somehow better than being in Hell. And so if it turns out that it doesn’t happen that way, then that will be a reason for regret.
Edited by Aware Wolf, : grammar

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Aware Wolf
Member (Idle past 1449 days)
Posts: 156
From: New Hampshire, USA
Joined: 02-13-2009


Message 143 of 296 (522336)
09-02-2009 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by iano
09-02-2009 1:40 PM


Re: Choosing to be unable to choose ... for sin.
iano writes:
From my perspective now I can be sad at the thought of someone I love being in danger of being destroyed. I'm not in heaven yet and don't have a heavens-perspective to apply experientially to the matter. I can only apply the dry theological reality of things and it's impossible now to imagine what my sister would look like with all that is good about her gone.
Well yes, but what I am saying is that IF the idea that (previous) loved ones are in Hell (or half destroyed and the rest in Hell, whatever) will NOT truly be a reason for regret, sadness, etc., then it is not an outcome that we have any reason to try and avoid. If something is to be avoided, then by definition if it isn't avoided there is justification for regret.
iano writes:
There appears to be some kind of dilemma in there somewhere but I'm not sure if I'm getting what it is.
I think there is; hopefully your confusion is not just my ability to explain it.

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