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Author Topic:   Misuse of evolution
mark24
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Message 31 of 141 (13358)
07-11-2002 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Syamsu
07-11-2002 10:41 AM


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Originally posted by Syamsu:
This is still not an open response, and not very long. When I personalise the question, then it makes me think about what race I belong to, what race is encroaching on my race, and what race is my race encroaching on. What are the numbers of my race, how are we doing, etc.
Anyway Darwinism has changed since then into differential reproductive success of variants. There has already been a cleanup and shift of focus from competition to reproduction, and in my opinion this shift should be completed by going to a narrow definition of Natural Selection, as a general theory of reproduction.
Sorry, but in my opinion you and Schraffinator are basicly just political "liars" for implying that races of man encroaching on one another until some finally become extinct, is as easily a neutral concept as is, differential reproductive success of human variants.
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

Syamsu,
The human Genome Project has thrown up something very interesting. There are more genetic differences within races, than between them. Therefore, there is no scientific basis for separate races.
Mark
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mark24
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Message 33 of 141 (13363)
07-11-2002 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Syamsu
07-11-2002 11:10 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Syamsu:
I've seen this repeated a view times, also in literature about the Holocaust, but it's not a smart anti-racist position in my opinion. The genome for different groups of people, and exactly which genes contribute to "inherent character" (which is the main interest of racists) is essentially unknown. So it's possible that we do find some genes that are the same for a group of people, that don't have this greater variety within the group. Then racists can speculate these are charactergenes, using some statistics, and turn the argument on it's head to argue that you have to be racist because science says so. So I think this sort of argument will in the end give unwarranted credibility to the existence of genes for character which control behaviour.
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

Syamsu,
It's a VERY smart anti-racist position. Showing the racists themselves are potentially more different to each other than their racist targets can't be a bad start!!!
Unfortunately, most racists are too stupid too see the wood for the trees.
Obviously there are genes controlling high/low melanin content in skin cells, that are common to a races, among many others. But the point is, there are more genetic differences between caucasians, than between caucasians & negros.
Mark
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