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Author Topic:   The Fate Of Jesus Followers
ringo
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Message 22 of 47 (362662)
11-08-2006 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Archer Opteryx
11-08-2006 1:57 PM


Re: ancient sources
Archer Opterix writes:
Maybe Bartholomew really was beaten and crucified in India as John Fox tells us.
It occurs to me that Cook was killed in Hawaii and Magellan in the Philippines - but their deaths were caused by cultural misunderstandings, not by what they stood for.
If Bartholomew et al. were killed for using the wrong fork, the it-must-be-true-because-they-died-for-it thesis is not supported.

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ringo
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Message 30 of 47 (363615)
11-13-2006 2:42 PM
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11-13-2006 11:23 AM


Phat writes:
Many would say that militant Christianity is a cultural misunderstanding.
What do you mean by "militant" Christianity? Going into all the world to preach the gospel is not inherently "militant", nor does it inherently cause cultural misunderstandings.
Your own OP quotes:
... the disciples knew that life without the resurrection is no life at all, so they all gave their lives to the fact that the Savior came back from the dead.
My point was that those disciples might have been killed for smiling at another man's wife, or for not taking off their shoes in a temple, or for wearing the wrong gang colours. It might not have had anything to do with Christianity at all, "militant" or otherwise.
Why does your source assume that a violent death is related to the victim's beliefs? Maybe a rich white guy will get mugged even if he doesn't believe in the resurrection.

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